Mini 1699 - #swag wars: THE empire strikes back (swaggedout)


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Post Post #150 (ISO) » Fri Jul 17, 2015 8:51 am

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In post 25, Layla wrote:
In post 23, fferyllt wrote:I like layla for town, I think.

I only made 3 posts.

This is where I started reading Layla as town; I feel like her ease in engaging with town reads on her is genuine (both here and in and feel that if she was scum she would just be quiet and accept the town reads instead of trying to understand them.

I thought Ffery and notscience both had decently town looking openings as far as page 1-2 goes; the "I thought you weren't going to bus, notsci" seems like a comment that's outside of Ffery's normal cheekiness range as scum, especially as early as that, and the Layla read felt pretty natural.

In post 51, Vinkah wrote:flip side, new scum could see banter and try to engage to ease in early (although that would be based on the personality of said person) rounding it off with a heaping lob of a question.

splitting hairs
i think yours makes more sense though.

I thought pushing back on a very very early read like Vinkah did here felt sort of townish because it was a half-pushback that won't gain him any towncred and I don't think that he would be nervous about Layla being universal town AND it's the worst place to start pushing for a mislynch.

It's kind of weird that I feel as strongly about this as I do, but I do feel good about it and I think the logic makes sense if I managed to write it down correctly.

In post 53, Tammy wrote:I've recently realized that maybe part of the reason it was difficult to get/feel good about reads on each other in forest fire was me feeling weird about the sorting process because and making the interaction stilted.

I think that was a part of it yeah!
From my end of things, that was also a pretty weird game for me because of all the town reads on everyone; I felt pretty awkward about townreading everyone and prodding a bunch of people I didn't feel were particularly scummy at all.

Your opening post is really good if you're scum!

In post 60, Gnomeo wrote:Hi everybody!

I was going to announce a town read on Vinkah, but apparently he likes red gnomes. Leaning scum.

VOTE: Tammy

Your hope of your friends being town means you're probably scum manipulating them already.

Didn't really like this vote/post: the late jokey entrance when everyone else already found good/decent things to focus on always feels a bit strange to me.

In post 74, Wickedestjr wrote:This town read would be stronger if he hadn't been so easily swayed by ffery to change his mind;

That only strengthens the town read for me: if he stood his ground, his scum motivation could be generating content, trying to get town read by fighting someone, etc. The lack of scum motivation to post it coupled with "weakly disagreeing with an early read" not being a town tell makes it seem like a genuine thought process to me.

In post 82, notscience wrote:Strange, I'm pretty sure BBT did!

As an SK!

This probably isn't a good reason to suspect someone, but I understand the reaction.
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Post Post #151 (ISO) » Fri Jul 17, 2015 9:10 am

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I am too tired to catch up on this today. I'll try tomorrow morning.
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Post Post #152 (ISO) » Fri Jul 17, 2015 9:32 am

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It is now Day 1! Those who have not confirmed have 48 hours to do so ending in (expired on 2015-07-18 12:00:00).


DAY 1, VOTECOUNT 6
Aneninen (4)
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implosion, Vinkah, Layla, Wickedestjr

RedCoyote (3)
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pieguyn, notscience, Cheetory6

Gnomeo (1)
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Nachomamma8

notscience (1)
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Vinkah (1)
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Tammy (1)
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Nachomamma8 (1)
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Tammy


Not Voting (1)
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fferyllt


With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch! Deadline is on July 30th at 12:00 PM EST or in (expired on 2015-07-30 12:00:00).


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Post Post #153 (ISO) » Fri Jul 17, 2015 12:01 pm

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Nacho, no thoughts about RedCoyote? Aneninen?
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Post Post #154 (ISO) » Fri Jul 17, 2015 12:13 pm

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In post 83, Aneninen wrote:Bad reasoning.
Also, these posts don't add up.

He asked a question, got a snarky response, became frustrated as a result? That actually seems like a pretty sensible progression to me :/

In post 97, RedCoyote wrote:I feel bad that Nacho has become the designated RC reader, lol.

I love being the designated RC reader! It makes me feel special.

In post 113, Layla wrote:Wha-?

Townreading a large portion of the game makes me pretty uncomfortable because it means that the gagamhas the potential to be a shit-show: I have a lot more trouble shaking town reads as opposed to scumreads and find it more frustrating to determine which townread is wrong as opposed to which scum read.

In post 117, pieguyn wrote:what he did felt like he came up with it after the fact - as if he thought attempting to push a policy lynch would be a good thing to do in order to look busy/feign frustration and so there it was.

Nah. The progression flicked from RC getting frustrated from notscience's early play, to frustration, to trying to do some damage control with the non game related discussion. That's not how RC would fake frustration as scum.

In post 142, Wickedestjr wrote:
In post 124, Nachomamma8 wrote:Sneaking in a couple of posts during work, please hold

Nachomamma wrote:

:igmeou:

It turns out that my sneaking skills are not so good, sorry :/

In post 149, fferyllt wrote:Actually, rather than image conscious, though that could be a factor, his scum game felt aggressively town to me. he had well developed and supported reads, and he argued his cases well, especially so on day 1.

It's what he talked about in his self-meta: he's just more goal-oriented as scum. He knows what he wants to accomplish and he does it.
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Post Post #155 (ISO) » Fri Jul 17, 2015 3:51 pm

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I'm happy with my anen vote/the anen wagon.

As a general rule about RedCoyote, he's scummy. Always, in every game. If Nacho has a reputation for reading him then I'm willing to sheep Nacho until like day 3ish WRT him.

There's a good town core for now in {me, Tammy, Layla, ffery, Vinkah} allowing notscience as well if ffery says so.

Wicked is also a person that I remember just seeing as generally scummy when he was town. His play so far vaguely reminds me of his town play in the distant past. I decently like Nacho's point for town-RC in .

That already puts the lynch pool in my mind right now at {Anen, Gnomeo, Cheetory, pieguy, Nacho}.

pieguy is saying a lot of things, and I think I'll probably get a better read in due time. Gut kind of says cheetory is town. We're gonna go with the scumteam as Anen/Gnomeo/Nacho for now.
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Post Post #156 (ISO) » Fri Jul 17, 2015 3:55 pm

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In post 154, Nachomamma8 wrote:Nah. The progression flicked from RC getting frustrated from notscience's early play, to frustration, to trying to do some damage control with the non game related discussion. That's not how RC would fake frustration as scum.


Then how would RC fake frustration as scum?
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Post Post #157 (ISO) » Fri Jul 17, 2015 3:56 pm

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Also this whole "everyone trust nacho's read on RC" thing is giving me the heebiejeebies

Its not so much the people saying it are its just like "inb4 scumteam whiteknights each other"
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Post Post #158 (ISO) » Fri Jul 17, 2015 4:01 pm

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In post 157, notscience wrote:Also this whole "everyone trust nacho's read on RC" thing is giving me the heebiejeebies

Its not so much the people saying it are its just like "inb4 scumteam whiteknights each other"

IMO it's not supposed to be a long-term thing, more of an "eh, we can put resolving this off until later" thing. Plus I actually do like nacho's reason that he gave, I'm not just blindly following. RC is just... idk. I don't remember if I've played with him extensively outside of swagtown but his posts have often just lacked any radiation of towntells like some others *cough Tammy cough* and most players in general.
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Post Post #159 (ISO) » Fri Jul 17, 2015 4:01 pm

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It should be pretty obvious that I'm forming my own read, notsci.

I haven't decided what I think about Nacho yet.
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Post Post #160 (ISO) » Fri Jul 17, 2015 4:02 pm

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Like I mean, if you have your own reads and it agrees, or if his read makes perfect sense goahead, I know I've done it in the past just

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Post Post #161 (ISO) » Fri Jul 17, 2015 4:06 pm

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If we could get competing wagons on Anen and Gnomeo I would be quite happy.
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Post Post #162 (ISO) » Fri Jul 17, 2015 4:08 pm

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I want to see more from both of them.
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Post Post #163 (ISO) » Fri Jul 17, 2015 4:13 pm

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I honestly don't think they are likely scum together.
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Post Post #164 (ISO) » Fri Jul 17, 2015 4:15 pm

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how so?
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Post Post #165 (ISO) » Fri Jul 17, 2015 4:21 pm

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I just don't see scum being so unproductive this early. Especially anen, I've seen him be rather competent as town. I don't expect a scumteam of lurkers in a game that's not being hyperspammed or apathy induced, if that makes sense. One max.
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Post Post #166 (ISO) » Fri Jul 17, 2015 4:24 pm

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Eh. That seems like more of an individual thing to me.

It could be the case that they're both scum and Anen just happens to be low on time right now and Gnomeo is scumlurking (or also happens to be low on time).
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Post Post #167 (ISO) » Fri Jul 17, 2015 4:25 pm

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I can understand that.

But I'm still not scumreading anen, so it doesn't really matter.
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Post Post #168 (ISO) » Fri Jul 17, 2015 4:27 pm

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have you played much with anen?
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Post Post #169 (ISO) » Fri Jul 17, 2015 4:28 pm

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Not a ton.

I just played a newbie with him where he felt fairly obvious town.
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Post Post #170 (ISO) » Fri Jul 17, 2015 4:35 pm

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I've played with town-Anen twice. I modded a newbie game where he replaced into a scum slot.

I thought he was pretty smooth as scum in that game.
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Post Post #171 (ISO) » Fri Jul 17, 2015 4:37 pm

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Post Post #172 (ISO) » Fri Jul 17, 2015 4:39 pm

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Remind me to look at it when I get time this weekend.
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Post Post #173 (ISO) » Fri Jul 17, 2015 5:03 pm

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In post 150, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 74, Wickedestjr wrote:This town read would be stronger if he hadn't been so easily swayed by ffery to change his mind;

That only strengthens the town read for me: if he stood his ground, his scum motivation could be generating content, trying to get town read by fighting someone, etc.

That's what I thought at first, but the abrupt change of mind made me think he
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Post Post #174 (ISO) » Fri Jul 17, 2015 5:19 pm

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I came here seeing some posts but... I really have nothing to comment on right now. :/
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