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Post Post #100 (ISO) » Mon Jul 20, 2015 8:07 am

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In post 97, Kaboose wrote:No I meant you would look more town as a scum person doing it earlier like you "tried" I still think you're making a big deal about "hammering" when you put them on L-1..


It's my defense. What do you mean big deal?

Also you are avoiding my original question. What reason do you have to lynch me and gameplay? Please try to be a little less hypothetical.
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Post Post #101 (ISO) » Mon Jul 20, 2015 8:09 am

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In post 7, Kaboose wrote:VOTE: Grey

Discarding a doc? Yeah let's just lynch this P1


This is why I want you lynched.
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Post Post #102 (ISO) » Mon Jul 20, 2015 8:11 am

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In post 98, GrayFoxxxx wrote:
In post 95, Kop wrote:
In post 92, GrayFoxxxx wrote:
In post 90, Kop wrote:
In post 86, GrayFoxxxx wrote:
In post 85, Kaboose wrote:So I'm scum because I think you and game are partners, and because scum can't bus?


Yes for first part, no for second. Why would scum hammer a partner this early?


There is not a time limit for scum to hammer a partner. I have seen a few games where someone has bussed his own partner, and he gets town credit from the off, and pretty much go the whole game without suspicion simply because of that 'phrase'. It gets thrown around much, especially if the partner being hammered only has a week scum PR where it's deemed worth throwing away.


Why would that be done in this game?


It can be done in any game, if there is a team of 2, in aid to distance from your buddy that is on the chopping board. You aren't going to sit and watch your buddy go down and defend him because when he is lynched later, and flips scum, they'll look at you defending him from being lynched before.

You bus in aid to distance so nobody looks at you in the same light if your defending him.


That seems suboptimal.


What do you mean by that?

In post 99, GrayFoxxxx wrote:
In post 96, Kop wrote:
In post 93, GrayFoxxxx wrote:It's not like gameplay is an auto lynch I don't see why I would do that as scum


He was practically almost at L-1 at one point.


Do you think anyone else was going to hammer him? I dont. So the strategy of bussing seems pointless. Kaboose's reasoning is way off.


No, at the end of the day, the question is not the hammering part, it's the stopping of a role claim, to prevent lies possibly being seen through.
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Post Post #103 (ISO) » Mon Jul 20, 2015 8:18 am

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@ Kop

If I was on a scum team, and I was at L-1 and my partner wanted to hammer me, I would think he was dumb. There is no GOOD reason to do it. It's not worth the risk.
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Post Post #104 (ISO) » Mon Jul 20, 2015 8:19 am

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In post 103, GrayFoxxxx wrote:@ Kop

If I was on a scum team, and I was at L-1 and my partner wanted to hammer me, I would think he was dumb. There is no GOOD reason to do it. It's not worth the risk.


At least on D1. You significantly lower your chances of winning.
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Post Post #105 (ISO) » Mon Jul 20, 2015 8:22 am

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In post 100, GrayFoxxxx wrote:

Also you are avoiding my original question. What reason do you have to lynch me and gameplay? Please try to be a little less hypothetical.

In post 101, Kaboose wrote:
In post 7, Kaboose wrote:VOTE: Grey

Discarding a doc? Yeah let's just lynch this P1


This is why I want you lynched.


I didn't ask why you voted me.

Kaboose is trying to distance himself from his statement that me and game are partners.
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Post Post #106 (ISO) » Mon Jul 20, 2015 8:23 am

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I don't think Gray and game are partners, this discussion is silly
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Post Post #107 (ISO) » Mon Jul 20, 2015 8:24 am

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In post 102, Kop wrote:

No, at the end of the day, the question is not the hammering part, it's the stopping of a role claim, to prevent lies possibly being seen through.


Can you elaborate on this? I want to understand what you mean before I reply. Stopping of a role claim? And lies from who?

Does that apply to this situation?
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Post Post #108 (ISO) » Mon Jul 20, 2015 8:26 am

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In post 106, Wisdom wrote:I don't think Gray and game are partners, this discussion is silly


Then discuss why you say I'm scum. There is enough content. The doc card is tired and played out.
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Post Post #109 (ISO) » Mon Jul 20, 2015 8:26 am

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Does it really matter if you and game are partners if you're both scum to me?
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Post Post #110 (ISO) » Mon Jul 20, 2015 8:29 am

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Because you look like scum.

You are focusing on someone partnering you with someone else when it's pointless.
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Post Post #111 (ISO) » Mon Jul 20, 2015 8:31 am

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And no, discarding the doc is not something I'll just forget. It would be one thing if you were like "i had better choices", but calling the doctor a "boring" role is bullshit.
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Post Post #112 (ISO) » Mon Jul 20, 2015 8:35 am

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In post 107, GrayFoxxxx wrote:
In post 102, Kop wrote:

No, at the end of the day, the question is not the hammering part, it's the stopping of a role claim, to prevent lies possibly being seen through.


Can you elaborate on this? I want to understand what you mean before I reply. Stopping of a role claim? And lies from who?

Does that apply to this situation?


At most people only claim when at L-1, to which was going to happen here, there is a distinct possibility that you jumped off to prevent a claim, to which could have been a possibility we could have seen through this lie, later on in the game when things don't add up.

It could relate to this situation, but not 100%.
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Post Post #113 (ISO) » Mon Jul 20, 2015 8:37 am

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In post 50, Kaboose wrote:But you're his partner I think. Especially with that soft defence you just gave him.

Looking back, this was quite a stretch. What soft defence were you talking about?
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Post Post #114 (ISO) » Mon Jul 20, 2015 8:40 am

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In post 110, Wisdom wrote:Because you look like scum.

You are focusing on someone partnering you with someone else when it's pointless.


My debate with on kaboose was after your vote.

And what's bullshit is you having one weak read that you "won't forget", but my tangible read is pointless.
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Post Post #115 (ISO) » Mon Jul 20, 2015 8:42 am

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You are scumreading someone just because he is calling you scum with someone else.
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Post Post #116 (ISO) » Mon Jul 20, 2015 8:47 am

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In post 112, Kop wrote:At most people only claim when at L-1, to which was going to happen here, there is a distinct possibility that you jumped off to prevent a claim, to which could have been a possibility we could have seen through this lie, later on in the game when things don't add up.

It could relate to this situation, but not 100%.


He wasn't at L-1 when I changed votes. I even wanted him to claim before I thought I would be hammering.

I understand the situation fully. What I need to know is how its applicable in this game. It would have been such a bad strategy.

So kaboose saying me and game are partners follows bad logic, and in most cases that equals scum.
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Post Post #117 (ISO) » Mon Jul 20, 2015 8:49 am

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In post 115, Wisdom wrote:You are scumreading someone just because he is calling you scum with someone else.


Nah
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Post Post #118 (ISO) » Mon Jul 20, 2015 8:52 am

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Bad logic doesn't equal scum in any way.
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Post Post #119 (ISO) » Mon Jul 20, 2015 8:53 am

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In post 118, Wisdom wrote:Bad logic doesn't equal scum in any way.


It does more often than someone throwing away a doc card.
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Post Post #120 (ISO) » Mon Jul 20, 2015 8:56 am

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Uh, no. Town follow bad logic all the time.
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Post Post #121 (ISO) » Mon Jul 20, 2015 9:01 am

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In post 118, Wisdom wrote:Bad logic doesn't equal scum in any way.

In post 120, Wisdom wrote:Uh, no. Town follow bad logic all the time.


So bad logic is a town tell, and in no way a scum read?
The mafia wiki literally says the opposite.

I think you're being a contrarian. Why?
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Post Post #122 (ISO) » Mon Jul 20, 2015 9:02 am

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It's not a town tell. Ugh, this is tiring. Can you play some games and get some experience before you start talking in absolutes?
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Post Post #123 (ISO) » Mon Jul 20, 2015 9:09 am

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In post 122, Wisdom wrote:It's not a town tell. Ugh, this is tiring. Can you play some games and get some experience before you start talking in absolutes?


Lol. Then why bring it up?

I say bad logic is a scum tell.
You say bad logic doesnt equal scum in any way.
You say town use badlogic more than scum.
You say badlogic isnt a town tell.
I can't even keep up with where you're at.
you are just posting argumentative fluff, that contradicts itself.

Guess I need to play some more games right?
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Post Post #124 (ISO) » Mon Jul 20, 2015 9:11 am

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You sound more like butthurt caught scum to me when you post right now.

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