Saki Achiga-hen episode of side-A Mafia [OK]

[Sakura Hana]

Yeah the tracker catching IPie was pretty much what broke them, Xtoxm would eventually have been lynched even if i didnt apply his role to Teru. But pie, idk but i think your setups are flavor predictible even if you dont intend them to be.

[Cabd]

Heh.

Chandra MVP.



Scum got screwed by on-point town night actions.

And yeah I knew cephrir would ignore me and therefore I could draw a night kill. It was very nice and heartwarming.

[Wisdom]

are you kidding me? Ascetic Tracker + Bulletproof that is aware when he is shot + Doctor + Vig + Mass RB + Weak Jailkeeper + Cop with the last two being masons?

With the best thing scum had being a conditional dayvig?

How is not that OP?

[Sakura Hana]

Just a question, why the fuck didnt scum ever kill Chandra.

[Varsoon]

Wheh,
I guess we're all gold.
Told you guys I was town.
And now I don't even think I need to rub poop on anyone but myself, in some sort of awkward victory dance.

Sorry for the paranoia Chandra, but you know how stressful it can be.
You did well with your night shots.
I didn't fool

anyone

but town with my fake action, did I?

[Cabd]

Varsoon, I can't believe I'm about to say this, but you and I both did the whole claiming more power than we had thing and it worked out well for both of us; good job.

[Sakura Hana]

At least Mara wont have to worry about being killed now.

[Elbirn]

Awwww yisss

I feel bad cuz this was stupidly town sided but this'll look good on my resume

[Sakura Hana]

Btw Cabd, are you serious about my playstyle, i don't see how i played any differently than i normally would after i went in with my main.

[Cabd]

You've completely eliminated "poor pitiful me" syndrome without even noticing it? Even better.

[Sakura Hana]

Except i wasn't tunneled at any point, read my post-game on Nighingale, which was a game that almost caused me to quit mafia (again)

[Sakura Hana]

I really would've preferred not to replace out, But with all the tunneling and the people scumreading me i broke out, i have to find a way to become stronger otherwise the one "trust tell of sakura replacing out only as town" will rise again

[Varsoon]

Varsoon, I can't believe I'm about to say this, but you and I both did the whole claiming more power than we had thing and it worked out well for both of us; good job.

I always take the opportunity to make a pun when I see it.
<3

[pieguyn]

Yeah the tracker catching IPie was pretty much what broke them, Xtoxm would eventually have been lynched even if i didnt apply his role to Teru. But pie, idk but i think your setups are flavor predictible even if you dont intend them to be.

no, it wasn't

you attempting to flavor break the game essentially amounted to you coming up with every single possible conclusion and thus being right about one of them. you were also incorrect just as much as you *were* correct; see: you dropping said flavor spec on Xtoxm's role after he flavor claimed and missing the obvious balance argument (that, given the flipped scum power, they were missing an investigative whereas town had 3 of them claimed already), which had nothing to do with flavor.

if you flip a coin a bunch of times, you're going to be right 50% of the time. that is essentially what you accomplished this game. having a correct conclusion means jack shit if it wasn't well reasoned, it means you just happened to be right via coincidence

the stuff you were pushing about "one Achiga character = scum", for example, was also blatantly wrong, both in its conclusion and in how it was reasoned

speculating on what roles the scum team might have, on the other hand, is usually something I consider valid (see: zmuffin speculating RB/goon/rolecop along with the characters on the scum team after the latter of these roles flipped in the previous game) - it is up to scum to avoid claiming anything that would be regarded as a scum role, which is part of why I allowed them to request additional fakeclaims as they needed them this game - but 1. you don't need flavor to figure this out (as I said, it is a balance argument - scum had no investigative role flipped. if Bitmap wasn't cop cleared, for instance, based on what I was reading in the game thread, it would have been as likely someone would push him having a "flavor cop" role as a scum role over Xtoxm's role), 2. even if you *did* need flavor to figure this out, all the flavor you would need is readily available in the link provided in the setup post (see: you not even knowing about Teru's secondary ability until you checked the wiki despite being familiar with flavor).

[Wisdom]

ns wai so paranoid man

I understand sakura and even mara to an extent but you why?

[Sakura Hana]

In the end all the scum were shiratoidai team characters in the anime.
I consider that flavor breakable if i can tie claims/abilities to the anime characters and figure out which are probably scum, i just second guessed myself because i thought you wouldn't make the same mistake twice, I do agree that one should focus on possible roles instead, and i completely missed the investigate part.
I miss the good old days where flavor didnt relate to alignment but it did relate to role.

[Sakura Hana]

Also TO BE FAIR, after the endgame i thought Chandra's role was a trap for ppl flavor speccing (like me) like a miller of sorts, considering as wisdom pointed previously chandra's flavor and abilities also fit a shiratoidai character.

[pieguyn]

Gin and Sonic/Elbirn Mason PT:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=62585

Mafia PT:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=62584

Dead PT:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=62587

my mod PT sort-of thing:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=62581

Actions:

Night 1 actions:

singersigner (Kuro) kills pidgey (Touka) --

fails, is roleblocked

Chandra Nalaar (Ako) tracks InflatablePie (Awai) --

fails, is roleblocked

Bitmap (Toki) protects Chandra Nalaar (Ako) --

fails, is roleblocked (shot refunded)

Bins (Ryuuka) uses Call Fairy Toki --

fails, is roleblocked (shot refunded)

Elbirn (Mairu) uses Reservation --

fails, is roleblocked

Gin and Sonic (Himeko) investigates Nachomamma8 (Shizuno) --

fails, Reservation not used (shot refunded)

Benjamin Applebaum uses 海底撈月 - Haitei Raoyue --

succeeds

Xtoxm (Teru) investigates Voidedmafia (Izumi) --

fails, is roleblocked

Jazzmyn (Takami) marks Sakura Hana (Hitomi) --

fails, is roleblocked

InflatablePie (Awai) kills singersigner (Kuro) --

fails, is roleblocked

Night 1 results:

Chandra Nalaar (Ako) gets result: "No result."
Gin and Sonic (Himeko) gets result: "No result."

Xtoxm (Teru) gets result: "No result."
Jazzmyn (Takami) gets result: "Action failed. List of marked players: none"

Night 2 actions:

singersigner (Kuro) kills Wisdom (Kirame) --

succeeds

Bitmap (Toki) protects Sakura Hana (Hitomi) --

succeeds

Chandra Nalaar (Ako) tracks InflatablePie (Awai) --

succeeds

Bins (Ryuuka) uses Call Fairy Toki --

fails, is dead

Elbirn (Mairu) uses Reservation --

succeeds

Gin and Sonic (Himeko) investigates Bitmap (Toki) --

succeeds

Xtoxm (Teru) investigates Voidedmafia (Izumi) --

succeeds

Jazzmyn (Takami) marks Sakura Hana (Hitomi) --

succeeds

InflatablePie (Awai) kills Bins (Ryuuka) --

succeeds

Night 2 results:

Chandra Nalaar (Ako) gets result: "InflatablePie visited Bins."
Gin and Sonic (Himeko) gets result: "Bitmap is

not aligned with Shiraitodai High

."
Bins (Ryuuka) dies
Wisdom (Kirame) loses shot of Never going bust

Xtoxm (Teru) gets result: "None"
Jazzmyn (Takami) gets result: "Sakura Hana was marked. List of marked players: Sakura Hana"

Night 3 actions:

singersigner (Kuro) kills Gin and Sonic (Himeko) --

succeeds

Bitmap (Toki) protects Chandra Nalaar (Ako) --

fails, Chandra Nalaar (Ako) is ascetic (shot refunded)

Chandra Nalaar (Ako) tracks Jazzmyn (Takami) --

succeeds

Elbirn (Mairu) jailkeeps Sakura Hana (Hitomi) --

succeeds

Xtoxm (Teru) investigates Benjamin Applebaum (Koromo) --

succeeds

Jazzmyn (Takami) kills Cabd (Yuu) --

succeeds

Night 3 results:

Chandra Nalaar (Ako) gets result: "Jazzmyn visited Cabd."
Cabd (Yuu) dies
Gin and Sonic (Himeko) dies

Xtoxm (Teru) gets result: "海底撈月 - Haitei Raoyue"

Night 4 actions:

singersigner (Kuro) kills Skybird (Touka) --

succeeds

Bitmap (Toki) protects Chandra Nalaar (Ako) --

fails, Chandra Nalaar (Ako) is ascetic (shot refunded)

Chandra Nalaar (Ako) tracks Voidedmafia (Izumi) --

succeeds

Elbirn (Mairu) jailkeeps Varsoon (Arata) --

succeeds

Xtoxm (Teru) kills Benjamin Applebaum (Koromo) --

succeeds

Night 4 results:

Chandra Nalaar (Ako) gets result: "Voidedmafia did not visit anyone."
Skybird (Touka) dies
Benjamin Applebaum (Koromo) dies

[singersigner]

That was so town sided.

GG, everyone.

I think Pie deserves scum MVP because he went under everyone's scum radar.

Would like thoughts/opinions on how I should've played vig because no one seemed to have a problem with it the last time... >_>

[Sakura Hana]

Also now i see why Koromo's ability wasn't named tenpai hell.

[Varsoon]

B-but what about my pins?

[notscience]

o/

[Bins]

you dropped a \

[Varsoon]

I love how Sakura was flabbergasted over me coming up with that as a fake ability
I almost died

[Wisdom]

Would like thoughts/opinions on how I should've played vig because no one seemed to have a problem with it the last time... >_>

it cant always work! chandra got them all this time