NY 188: Delicious Mafia II (Post-game chatter)

[Annadog40]

If he flips scum, then TSO is either town, or he's bussed early for cred. I'd also push for Anna.

How would I be scummy if Gray flips scum?

[Spiffeh]

ANNADOG POST YOUR THOUGHTS SO YOU DON'T GET LYNCHED TODAY PLEASE

[SilverWolf]

Part of me really wants to lynch Red. He's lurky and his gripes about me are really coloring my view of him I think, I mean if you ISO him, he talks about me a lot and all of it's jerky comments. I really do not like but I'm not sure if this is scum being an ass or town being an ass. When you don't post much and you have to say something about one player every time you do, it really sours me on him quite a bit.

[SilverWolf]

I want to say Kop is scum going with the flow but when you look at Nos, he's going with the flow as well. They could both be scum or one of them is. Something tells me they aren't both town.

Anyway, I will still vote for GrayFoxxx if it's to avoid a NL. I really don't like his VT claim or the fact that most of his posting is defending himself. He does have some townie frustration going on though.

Kop's lack of stances is concerning. Most of his suspicion is on people everyone else has called out. I'd like him to come up with his own stances on things.

VOTE: Kop

[SilverWolf]

Mahonster could be scum too. Most of his stuff is discussing the neighborhoods and that's fine to a certain extent but it starts to look like busy work after awhile and he sheeps me on Red which is meh and there's not much else there.

[Salamence20]

Mod: Replace me

[Kop]

I'm trying to work things in my head, one side of my brains screaming town, while the other side is screaming scum, I can't get onto neutral ground regarding Gray. He's not exactly done a lot of things that screams from the rooftops that he is town and I am wrong to doubt.

Ugh this seems like a super cop-out (Kop-out?) answer to me. I have no problem with not being able to read some one and going back and forth on said read. I do that all the time. But I really only see scum being that inconsistent with a read; not remembering how you read Gray early on is spooky.

You also have a lot of "filler" posts that comment on the strategies of players rather than the players themselves, which is an easier, less risky way for scum to pretend to be involved.

I'm inconsistent because I've been in this situation before, many a time in not being able to read spots, I see scummyness in his posts, but I see the player and his meta and it tells me another. I'm not copping out, I can't fault having these doubts. My early read, his early posts scream scum, but then I've seen it from previous game that I played, and he was town, meta telling me one thing, posts telling me another. :/ If he is telling the truth about being a VT, I was seeing it from BCWSPOV. If he is town, then I'd start to suspect TSO since he is/was ultra convinced that Gray was scum, if he flips scum, then it gives a bigger picture to the ones who objected for the lynch.

It's frustrating because I'd also like to put some attention onto TSO, but if he isn't going to be on I think SW mentioned that, then we aren't going to go very far on that one.

I'd like some suspicion placed onto Boonskiies, he is more than happy to go through the game, without giving any real contribution to the game, or any great attempt to find scum. He has given a few names that he wants votes on, but he hasn't pressed them. Another player just happy to watch the world go by with his hands in his pocket.

VOTE: Boonskiies

[Nosferatu]

So many replacements o_o

[Ozgin]

@Kop - You haven't really met Boon, have you?

[Annadog40]

So many replacements o_o

With all of the replacements going to come to pass, I think that we should end day one a few days early so that the people who replace in don't just join and get night killed and so they would have time show a different side to their slot.


Here is the unofficial vote count
Skybird -
T S O - Wake88 (L-10)
Ika -
Silverwolf -
Shinobi –
Boonskiies – Kop, (L-10)
Wake88 – ika, (L-10)
Ozgin -
Texcat -
Kop – Spiffeh, Shinobi, Lapsa, SilverWolf, (L-7)
Fro99er -
Lapsa – (L-10)
GrayFoxxxx - T S O, Creede73, Annadog40, Nosferatu, Salamence20 (L-5)
Mahonster – Boonskiies, (L-10)
Quaroath – Fro99er (L-10)
Creede73 -
RedFF -
Spiffeh -
Nosferatu -
Annadog40 – RedFF, Mahonster, GrayFoxxxx, (L-8)
Salamence20 – Texcat (L-10)

Not Voting - Skybird, Quaroath, Ozgin,

UNVOTE: GrayFoxxxx

Sigh. I guess this isn't happening, because people "don't like the way he's being pushed." I still think he's scummy, but his latest few posts have been much less so and this wagon isn't actually moving forward. So yeah.

IT still could be happening since he currently has the highest vote count so far.

[texcat]

I'm still up for a Salamence lynch.

[Aeronaut]

Dealing With replacements when I get home

[T S O]

I'm really unhappy with the way this game is going already.

I'm reading through but wanted to quote this as it mirrors my entire thoughts on the game.

[Aeronaut]

VC 1.14

VoteCount 1.14

With 21 alive it's 11 to lynch!

Mod Notes:

Replacing Salamence and Creed. Tell your friends!
Fro99er is V/LA until tomorrow.
Ika is V/LA until internet is fixed.

Skybird -

T S O -

Wake88

(L-10)

Ika -

Silverwolf -

Shinobi -

Boonskiies -

Kop

(L-10)

Wake88 -

ika

(L-10)

Ozgin -

Texcat -

Kop -

Spiffeh, Shinob, Lapsa, SilverWolf

(L-7)

Fro99er -

Lapsa -

GrayFoxxxx -

T S O, Creede73, Annadog40, Nosferatu

(L-7)

Mahonster -

Boonskiies

(L-10)

Quaroath -

Fro99er

(L-10)

Creede73 -

RedFF -

Spiffeh -

Nosferatu -

Annadog40 -

RedFF, Mahonster, GrayFoxxxx

(L-8)

Salamence20 -

Texcat

(L-10)

Not Voting

-

Skybird, Quaroath, Ozgin

Food Queue -

fried chicken, corn on the cob, Chef salad, watermelon, lemonaide, French Silk Pie, ice cream sundae, vegetarian dish, roast turkey, PO-TA-TOES

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2015-08-21 23:30:32)

[Skybird]

I'm really unhappy with the way this game is going already.

I'm reading through but wanted to quote this as it mirrors my entire thoughts on the game.

So what would you change? How do you want this game to go?

[Lapsa]

food queue << mashed potatoes

[Aeronaut]

Just so everyone knows, the front page has been updated with correct replacements, Links to VCs, and correct playerlist. Thanks!

[SilverWolf]

Oh hey, I forgot about the extra day added to the deadline. So we have 4 days.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Irrelevant post is irrelevant. Or is it? You decide.

[T S O]

I'm really unhappy with the way this game is going already.

I'm reading through but wanted to quote this as it mirrors my entire thoughts on the game.

So what would you change? How do you want this game to go?

everything

some fucking unity would be nice, and people playing would be nice too.

[T S O]

My complaint list runs longer, but you'll be hearing about it in due course.

[Aeronaut]

Firebringer replaces Creede73!

[Firebringer]

Hey guys what's up?

I am the bringer of fire.

Here to lay down a beatdown to mafia

Who are our major suspects?

[Firebringer]

Also I am really hungry just reading this game.

I will be back after lunch. I guess it would be dinner now...

[T S O]

Wake - I am about to show you a magical power of mine. I am a psychic - I can tell you something about yourself that I should have no way of knowing.

You do not proofread your posts.

Now, I'm a psychic, so I just know that to be true. But if someone was reading this game and they're not a psychic? Then they could still know. It wouldn't be difficult. All they would have to would be to look at the post where you saw that three people disagreed with you, and decided they were all scum, together, while you also preached that this game could be singleball or multiball and we shouldn't make assumptions.

I've completely ignored you since then because I haven't had access. But even if I had access, I would still be ignoring you, because you're way too stubborn to fucking listen once you decide something even when it's clearly wrong. You've decided that I attempted to "cajole" you into voting Gray, and because I used "cajole" instead of any other word, it was manipulation of the highest degree, and I must be scum!

Just please look at your current view of the gamestate. You are townreading GrayFoxxxx because no-one else is doing it, and more specifically because I am openly doing the opposite. You think I am scum because I was trying to "manipulate" you into voting Gray when I issued a broad appeal for Gray votes,

humorously,

and then talked to you because you were online and other people were not. Let me quote you on your mindset at that time:

Curious, and hyper-alert to manipulation

Does it really seem surprising that when you are "hyper-alert" for something, you find it? Does it? Because some of the evidence against Gray is pretty fucking good. I'm done arguing meta, I'll even cede the point though I don't feel like it, just to emphasise other aspects of my scumread. Namely, the way he votes

anyone

with a chance of being lynched. Blatantly. Red. Me. Wake. Ozgin. Anna. And never, not once, has there been half-legitimate justification for these votes. The only one I've pushed him on was my own, to which the answer was that he was sheeping SW, or some other rubbish. There hasn't even been that for the others. Every time he does it I sigh and complain and wonder how the fuck are you defending him when his opportunism and need to stay alive at all costs is so open and blatant.

I'm competent. Shinobi is competent. SilverWolf is competent. When you disagree with a competent player, and then another disagrees with you, and then another disagrees with you after that, your conclusion

should not be

that they are all scum. Seriously. You lose face
pretty fast when you come out with this rubbish.

I won't be talking to you again,

I'm too scared to try manipulating you

wasting my time isn't something I plan to do any time soon. It's really not too late to sit down, realise you are playing like a fucking idiot and vote Gray, but I have never seen you change your mind prompted by a personal intervention and I doubt I will now.

[redFF]

Hey guys what's up?

I am the bringer of fire.

Here to lay down a beatdown to mafia

Who are our major suspects?

this game is a shitshow

good luck w/ your reading