Mini 1708: Mafia Café [Game Over!]

[Cheetory6]

VC1.04

Davsto

[4] - Marvin Maganoo, free stool sample, Jake from State Farm, RadiantCowbells

A Simple Plan

[3] - Optilex, ChaosOmega, JohnnyFarrar

The_Jester

[1] - Monkey Saint

RadiantCowbells

[1] - Davsto

Not Voting

[4] - A Simple Plan, HenryCabotLodge, The_Jester, TheEMC

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Day One will end on (expired on 2015-08-30 19:00:00)

@mod also do you know how long Emc will be VLA?

August 21.

@mod AM I DEAD?

Don't think so.

[Jake from State Farm]

@mod also do you know how long Emc will be VLA?

i'm not the mod but I did some digging and looks like his v/la is set to end tomorrow.

[JohnnyFarrar]

@mod AM I DEAD?

Don't think so.

When do we have the "is he with keeping around" conversation about Bells? Jake, you've played with him, yeah? Does he gave redeeming qualities?

[JohnnyFarrar]

Does he *have redeeming qualities?

[Jake from State Farm]

I am probably not the best to answer that question cause my answer will always be no.

side note, who is this person in your avatar?

[JohnnyFarrar]

Side answer: a Korean Rapper named Rap Monster. He's the leader of a Kpop group called BTS (aka Bangtan Boys). Most of my gifs are them because I have a problem

[RadiantCowbells]

If you were adequately skilled to judge my play, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

[Davsto]

Yeah, called gambit - as in, forcing out dying words to try and trip you up or something - on that vig from a mile away. Cowbell seemed pretty certain that Monkey was scum for some reason (that he still hasn't stated) and then switched to me because Monkey wasn't gonna be lynched, and then goes and vigs someone else? That seemed silly for any purpose other than gambit.
However that begs the question @RadiantCowbells:

why Johnny for the target of the gambit?

You already were suspicious of me/Monkey, why didn't you gambit one of us to confirm your suspicions? It just seems bizarre and irrational, although funnily enough that fits your current playstyle well enough. That's not a good thing.

[RadiantCowbells]

If you were adequately skilled to judge my play, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

[RadiantCowbells]

Besides, you're prob scum so you have your own ulterior motives for wanting me discredited.

[ChaosOmega]

RC, do you have a read on JfSF?

[Davsto]

If you were adequately skilled to judge my play, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

This is useless in every damn way.
"Lol, you can't read my mind, so I'm not gonna answer any questions, however much they may help town."
You're being incredibly anti-town and doing bizarre things for no reason whatsoever.

[Davsto]

Anyone who's played before with Cowbells, is he usually this irrational and anti-town in his town play?

[Jake from State Farm]

I have played with him a couple of times but the only game I remember is the most recent one where he was scum so that's not useful.

If he was scum do you honestly think he would be acting irrational and anti-town? I used to go after people like that but it never turned out good so now I just try to ignore them. I will say the general accepted rule with RC is never let him live to mylo/lylo

[Davsto]

I have played with him a couple of times but the only game I remember is the most recent one where he was scum so that's not useful.

If he was scum do you honestly think he would be acting irrational and anti-town? I used to go after people like that but it never turned out good so now I just try to ignore them. I will say the general accepted rule with RC is never let him live to mylo/lylo

Oh, well that's just

great,

isn't it. As far as I care, if he's gonna act scummy and anti-town even as town, he might as well be treated as scum.
Also, I just saw a game where he was town and fakeclaimed to force another townie into being lynched. I don't want a game where someone who does that is alive, for all of our sakes.

[Jake from State Farm]

welcome to mafiascum, home of the most anti-town players in the history of mafia.

[JohnnyFarrar]

I now present to you my impression of Bells:

*ahem*

"Hey guys I'm great at Mafia you don't even understand! I'm not gonna communicate with any of you though, I don't actually want to affect voting in any way. But my play is top notch I swear!"

Coming to Broadway this fall.

[Davsto]

^ sums up my thoughts.

One of two possibilities:,
1) Cowbells is scum. Hence, we lynch.
2) Cowbells is a town player who is generally going to be unhelpful and scummy, screwing us over a lot by doing unhelpful things, not communicating with us, and seeming scummy. Hence, we should lynch.

One of these is true.
Both of these have the same conclusion.
Hence, my Cowbells vote stays.

[ChaosOmega]

Sigh...well my town read on Davsto is gone. That's the same sort of shit case you used as scum in your last game. "Well, they're scum or bad town, so we should lynch them anyway." It doesn't look like scumhunting, it looks like you want a reason for being on a town lynch.

[free stool sample]

Sigh...well my town read on Davsto is gone. That's the same sort of shit case you used as scum in your last game. "Well, they're scum or bad town, so we should lynch them anyway." It doesn't look like scumhunting, it looks like you want a reason for being on a town lynch.

Do you scum read anyone who supports a policy lynch?

[free stool sample]

Yeah I feel like that stuff about being paranoid was just an alibi in case people don't agree with you and you get heat for it. "I'm not saying that X but X".

@Jester
Do you think Maganoo is doing the same (providing "just an alibi") by prefacing this Davsto read with "I'm going to look like a tunnling idiot but..." ??

I'm going to look like a tunnling idiot, but I can't get myself to stop reading davsto as scum. It feels like either his posts are fluff Post 216, or he's tossing scum around to see what sticks like post Post 213. When called out on his scum flinging he always has some excuse why he said it, but that it isn't a real read.

Sticks out to me, because he ends that post like this:

I like jesters reply to davsto's claimed paranoia and agree 100% with Post 220. I'm not reading him either way right now though.

[ChaosOmega]

Sigh...well my town read on Davsto is gone. That's the same sort of shit case you used as scum in your last game. "Well, they're scum or bad town, so we should lynch them anyway." It doesn't look like scumhunting, it looks like you want a reason for being on a town lynch.

Do you scum read anyone who supports a policy lynch?

No. I've tried pushing policy lynches on players as town. My issue is fencesitting between a policy lynch and a scum read. It's harder to read into someone's motives for being on a lynch, and it gives scum more ways to weasel out of suspicion for being on the lynch.

[The_Jester]

I've read one game where RC was overy dramatic in a similar fashion. I think he was town then. I'm not saying it means anything for us atm but we definitely should expect playing on emotions from him.
@stool I don't think it' necessarily a scum tell. Tough to say cause such tactic can be used both to soften a town gut read or justify a fabricated read from mafia stance. Inm this case I feel MM's reads come from a town perspective but I'm gonna re-read him when I got a chance and let you know if I changed my mind.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Sigh...well my town read on Davsto is gone. That's the same sort of shit case you used as scum in your last game. "Well, they're scum or bad town, so we should lynch them anyway." It doesn't look like scumhunting, it looks like you want a reason for being on a town lynch.

Do you scum read anyone who supports a policy lynch?

Is that what it looked like he was doing there?

[Davsto]

My issue is fencesitting between a policy lynch and a scum read.

Okay then, you provide a clear read for Cowbell's alignment.

Yeh.

Thought not.