With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
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redFF(2):BlueBloodedToffee, absta101
Bulbazoor(1):RedCoyote
Not Voting(6):Doctor Who, Keyser Söze, Bulbazoor, TonyMontana, redFF, Boonskiies
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Deadline: (expired on 2015-09-02 11:30:00)Retired.
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TonyMontana Mafia Scum
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In post 1349, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
Cool, I look forward to seeing your vote being placed on him. Who cares if Boon hammers your scum read?
I and any other town should care for multiple reasons which I don't believe I should have to explain.UpcomingMiniTheme: Rainbow Six|Siege Mafia-
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In post 1321, redFF wrote:is absta and tony too obvious a scumteam here?
i feel like the kmd kill and flip is supposed to make us look at the first few votes on the zoronos wagon, but i think absta's hop on it reeks of opportunistic scum, same with his hop on the banakai wagon day 1, except that was a bus
vote:absta
Looking at the VC history for D1 and D2, I canseethis. I am very close to voting for absta101 - catching up. Looking at his late shift on the Zoronos wagon:
absta101 states he not convinced that Zoronos is scummy:
In post 1170, absta101 wrote:Alright, I think this game has been solved. Scum is in Tony/Redff/Zoro.
Like kmd says, you either believe Zoro genuinely misread/ignored(?) banakai or you think he was avoiding his scum buddy.I'm not convinced on the Zoro-scum atm, his answers to my biggest concerns were good.
absta101 states Zoronos is scummy but doesn't vote on him (Zoronos currently has 3 votes):
In post 1191, absta101 wrote:In post 1189, Zoronos wrote:In post 1174, absta101 wrote:My question is, why were you voting me even though you had RedFF and Boon as scum and me as UNSURE.
Oh. My vote very frequently lags my suspicion. *shrug* You were my old suspicion, they were the new ones. I hadn't gotten around to moving it.
That's scummy. I mean, I even mentioned it to you and you still didn't move it.
absta101 is now happy to join the Zoronos wagon:
In post 1231, absta101 wrote:@RC- Yeah I agree, Zoro looks even more scummy considering the wagon. I will join it soon unless redff or Tony get more votes.
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BlueBloodedToffee, absta101 and redFF (only after BlueBloodedToffee's associative analysis via Banakai on redFF) are 3 players on my uncomfortable list - I've been town-reading redFF since D1 however.
I feel like I'll have to make a decision to side with BlueBloodedToffee-absta101 or redFF today. I'd previously noted/hinted a possible scum-connection between BlueBloodedToffee-absta101 on D1 but didn't want to push it without a flip.
I've already noticed a hard-defence by BlueBloodedToffee for absta101, which in turn is a hard-attack on redFF:
In post 1326, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:In post 1321, redFF wrote:but i think absta's hop on it reeks of opportunistic scum, same with his hop on the banakai wagon day 1, except that was a bus
vote:absta
Yeah, just interpret the same action/situation in two completely different ways for no reason other than to suit the narrative you're trying to push.
I would also like for absta101 to explain this:
In post 1329, absta101 wrote:Alright, RC looks scummy and Redff even more so.BBT is prob town due to Zoro's flip.I will post more in detail later on but for now:
VOTE: Redff
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In post 1330, absta101 wrote:Also, kmd probably died because he actually knows how to think andhe was dropping PR crumbs since D1.
Show me.
In post 1331, absta101 wrote:@RedffIn post 1135, redFF wrote:i could lynch zoronos that is cool with me id just rather lynch absta
I had a look through your ISO and I didn't find you ever stating a scum read on zoro. Where did this come from? You just suddenly agreed with the wagon after RC promised you he'd push for my lynch after you join his Zoro wagon.
Interesting - I will need to look at redFF's read on Zoronos on D2.
In post 1331, absta101 wrote:@Boon- What in the fucking shit was that vote yesterday, Zoro was a town read for you so why did you hammer him so quickly? You didn't even wait for Tony to respond, you just lynched him as soon as you could. Explain this.
What you did yesterday has literally no town motivation.
Agreed - it was anti-town to not post intent. I see this as a townie abusing our town-read of them. @Boonskiies - do not take advantage of our patience. Do you want us to policy lynch you?
In post 1336, absta101 wrote:I think the way BBT was 'defending' zoro was town and genuine. I had the same reason for town reading zoro but I ultimately got convinced that he was scum whereas BBT stuck to the read.
Again - show me. Town-reading town could also be scum town-reading town to gain town-cred.
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In post 1352, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:No, I don't get it.
To clarify; you're worried about your scum read getting hammered...right?
Yes, I would prefer to get some discussion out of the day, and also giving candidates a chance to claim, whether scum or not. #justtownthings
To clarify; you don't care about these things, and would be happy to quicklynch now and move on to night?UpcomingMiniTheme: Rainbow Six|Siege Mafia-
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Keyser, pre-flip associatives are pretty bad.
Tony, yes. I would like nothing more than for the next two posts to be naked votes on Redff and then for Boon to come in and hammer. That would be just fantastic.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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VOTE: Absta"Let it be known that almost everything Boonskiies said is either hilarious or annoying." - Shinobi
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@TonyIn post 1339, TonyMontana wrote:and I didn't want to give him a friend before claiming
Can you explain this? I don't see how giving Zoro a friend would help him before his claim.-
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In post 1356, redFF wrote:yeah i mean absta apparently scumread me yet hopped on the zoro wagon RIGHT AFTER i did
If you have ever read my ISO, you would see that I don't care for pre-flip associations. I alsostated that I would join the Zoro wagon(before your vote) unless the Redff/Tony wagons got more votes. I felt it likely that those wagons would not grow larger than the Zoro wagon just before I voted.
I mean if I use your logic. "Yeah I mean Redff apparently scumread me yet hopped on the Zoro wagon RIGHT AFTER I stated I would join it."-
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TonyMontana Mafia Scum
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I'm not saying it's a strong game theory, but the idea is that a claim should come from max pressure. It's not about helping his claim as much as it is helping people read his claim.
Like i said, it was just a feeling, and "giving him a friend" is a silly way to phrase it, i just felt like I wanted to see the claim with the noose as tight as it could be.UpcomingMiniTheme: Rainbow Six|Siege Mafia-
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@Tony- Well this is an open set up... My point is, there is no reason for you to want to apply pressure on his claim. If he was scum, the best move for him would be to ALWAYS claim PR (unless it has already been claimed by town). The pressure applied on him doesn't change any of that. Also, you had him as a town read, so there's no good reason for you to want him to claim.
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TonyMontana Mafia Scum
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I never said I wanted him to claim.
You're probably right in questioning that I withheld my read. In hindsight, it made no difference other than make me look stupid and/or suspect. The claim and hammer would have happened regardless.
I wanted to argue against his lynch, and I thought I would be better off making a case for that after the claim.UpcomingMiniTheme: Rainbow Six|Siege Mafia-
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@everyone- could you please state your stance on this? ThanksHunt scum or be hunted.-
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@BoonWhy did you hammer your town read (zoro)?
You are no longer a town read.
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@Doctor- I feel like you are only asking this to avoid scumhunting. You haven't posted content in a long time.
As for the PR claiming, I don't think they should claim now. If they claim now and it turns out they were already a town read to most then that hurts town because it confirms that they will die the following night. Also, any information we would get from them being confirmed town on the day that they claim we could just as easy have gotten the same information the following day if they died at night (due to them being a town read to most). If they claim and they are suspected by most of the town, they would've claimed anyway when they got to L-1. Either way I don't see any good reason to claim now rather than later.-
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@RedffIn post 1372, redFF wrote:@absta could you point out the pr crumbs kmd was dropping?
Does it matter? He flipped Villager and his crumbs were quite obvious.
Give me a good reason why this matters and I will show you. Otherwise it just looks like you are trying to get town credit by showing that you "never realised the PR crumbs".
Can you answer my question in post #1331 please.
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