NY 188: Delicious Mafia II (Post-game chatter)

[T S O]

Your play was correct, the only one disputing that is frogger, who's kinda an idiot.

Also, read on from where you stopped.

[SilverWolf]

UNVOTE:

I'm going to go look at 180. I think I know what TSO is talking about.

Also, he is a 3rd party and not groupscum due to Firebringer's result.

Don't vote for him yet. Hold on a minute.

Can you explain the bolded?

Firebringer said he was not aligned with town. He didn't say it was a guilty or mafia result which is what I'd expect if TSO was groupscum. A cop result on a 3P would just say not aligned with town.

[Fro99er]

Fire relax. Everyone believes you.

I just disagree it was best to insta-reveal. Philosophical differences

No need to tell anyone screw you for it

[SilverWolf]

Not Aligned with town.

Jesus how many times I said that?
Yes, he could be survivor. I have no idea if Survivor exists in normal games, but that would be a possibility if it exists in normal games.

Making you repeat it more than once means I can see you are being honest and not something you made.

FWIW-I believe you now.

[Fro99er]

@Wolfie - groupscum is also not aligned with town.

Usually it's a binary result. Town/not town. Guilty/not guilt
Exactly as TSO said.

Dunno how that clears him as 3rd party

[SilverWolf]

@Wolfie - groupscum is also not aligned with town.

Usually it's a binary result. Town/not town. Guilty/not guilt
Exactly as TSO said.

Dunno how that clears him as 3rd party

I'm going to do some research on this. I have always seen groupscum get a Mafia or Guilty result with a Town Cop unless they are a Godfather. I didn't know what 3P got but not aligned with town makes sense rather than innocent or town which would be incorrect.

Anyone who knows better, feel free to correct me.

[Fro99er]

It's probably mod dependent. So it could be binary, or it could be be Indicactive of 3p. But we can't know for sure

[SilverWolf]

TSO-I'm assuming you, Red, and Firebringer are Orchard Hall since Shinobi is Southwest Corridors and Skybird, Fro99er, and Annadog are NorthEast-Common Room.

[texcat]

Not Aligned with Town. Survivor is the only role that I know of that is third party and not SK.

TSO, can you share your win condition with us?

[goodmorning]

Am I the only one who gets what TSO is saying?

I mean, he could still be lying to me but he's implying it pretty heavily now so...

[texcat]

Yep. I'm not getting it at all. Just looks like scum scrambling and trying to cling to whatever shred of possibility might save him.

[SilverWolf]

I'm actually pretty sure I get it. I'm not going to elaborate right now.

[texcat]

So? Are you thinking that TSO is SK? I still think we need to lynch him. SK's tend to be more kill more town than scum, don't they?

[T S O]

Yes, when there are already four dead town and no scum dead, I plan to advance my SK win condition by shooting more town.

You're scum, yes?

[redFF]

tso not fully revealing his role is muddying up the thread with speculation

he claimed SK in our neighborhood

for all we know he could be mafia trying to delay his lynch, he is confirmed anti-town with an anti-town wincon, lets lynch him ay?

TSO has no incentive to help town, there's nothing that indicates he will play to town's wincon apart from his word, and doing so would be against his own wincon.

vote:tso

[Skybird]

Red, when did he claim SK in the hood?

[SilverWolf]

In 181, the SK took out half the scumteam. Scum tend to hate SK's. I've always wanted SK's dead regardless of my alignment due to one less chance at them hitting town, but I'm thinking of 180 and the fact we are already down 4 town and that gives me pause here. There is also the strong possibility that scum will not like this and will make that pretty apparent with their actions here. Also, let them burn a NK on him rather than a townie.

In any case, we should spend some time scumhunting before lynching him even if we decide to go that way.

Red's prob scum anyway. His reaction here is what I expected scum to do.

[T S O]

You claim in the neighbourhood to people you trust, tell them not to post it in the thread because then scum will know, they post it in the fucking thread.

[T S O]

In fact you didn't even quote the fucking parts where I explained that it doesn't make sense for me to shoot town.

[texcat]

Perhaps, it doesn't make sense, but clearly you already have shot town.

[SilverWolf]

P sure that Wake kill was TSO. Spiffeh makes sense for a groupscum kill-we should ISO him BTW. And Boon was clearly the vig shot.

[T S O]

I shot town who I thought was scum. The vig also shot town.

[T S O]

Who would you have shot?

[SilverWolf]

Red's prob scum anyway. His reaction here is what I expected scum to do.

Like, I wouldn't expect all hoods free and clear except for SK. Red's the best bet for scum neighbor.

I'm also suspicious of Quaroath and Mahonster. Maybe Lapsa. Maybe GM.

I really think if we don't have a strong scumread, that there is in fact a chance of TSO shooting town then.

I think he can help us catch scum in the GT but I'm not sure if that's enough.

I'm really torn on this obviously. I have next to no experience dealing with leashing a SK.

[T S O]

Speaking of which, red's play in our neighbourhood makes zero sense. He asks what I really am, I claim, I tell him not to say it in the thread, I tell him I'll likely fullclaim later in hood, he says it'll be hard to convince town not to lynch me, I explain why it makes sense for town to keep me alive because my WC right now involves killing scum, and then he reveals the claim? It's like he decided that he as scum wasn't going to profit from me being alive so hoped that by revealing it he could push through my lynch.

It doesn't make sense that he asks me how I'll convince town to keep me alive after the claim. There was no reason for him to do that as town - either he revealed it immediately, or he didn't reveal it, but I just hate the way he tried to feel me out about what my intentions were. It doesn't makes sense for him to reveal after that as town.