M1704: Den of the Predetors

[Plotinus]

agree it would be good to know who the amnesiac cop is.

either way whichever you go for is fine.

[Plotinus]

*cheerleads* you’re doing great hippyloppy

[wgeurts]

I think it’s townier to not bus in this situation. As scum we all know that you were the one who did the kill but the town doesn’t know that. i’m townreading you. i was townreading dq too but until it’s spelled out for me i can just be oblivious as to why my townreads are going at it all of a sudden.

This is incorrect, if we don't buss we're 100% tommorows lynch.
If hiplop is okay with biting the bullet, I propose we go for this lynch so we at least gain something from it. Let's face it, DQ will claim tracker at some point today if this doesn't work. Arguing "it's all a coincedence or something else" looks like saying "I got framed" on a cop guilty.
Not too convincing is it?

[wgeurts]

I suggest we do this as a last shot:
We vote you,
Then you soft->hard claim Amnesiac Cop. (I think Cabd may have been lying, but if he outs that in-thread that will make him suspicious)
We'll see how everyone reacts and will act accordingly,
If they leave, so do we. If not, well it sucks but we could all do with the town-cred.

[wgeurts]

Also if there is an Amnesiac Cop he then has to counter-claim and we already know we don't have a doctor.

[Plotinus]

we’ll wait a bit before bussing.

think about how quickly narninian voted pirate mollie after the cop guilty vs how the town reacted.

think about how when narninian faked a guilty on me i had no idea what was going on and didn’t even know to crossvote him.

or examples from other games i’ve played: i spent 53 pages death tunnelling tatsuya in n1615. the townies who resisted his lynch the hardest and refused to hop on even when he was obvscum and the writing was totally 100% on the wall that the slot was getting lynched were town.

bussing too early is a sign of having too much information. right now, all we know is that dq is voting hiplop and this setup is so PR heavy that hiplop could have any number of reasons for having visited jean.

also look at how heartless is acting. they’re town. they don’t know that DQ have a tracker guilty on hiplop.

we can hop on later.

[wgeurts]

Also, only claim once they out the result.

[wgeurts]

Hey, Plot if there isn't a Am. Cop we may be fine just claiming role cop.

[Plotinus]

yeah, i agree.

it’s possible cabd is ascetic cop?

[wgeurts]

That wouldn't be logical, and also really unbalanced.

[Plotinus]

well either we were roleblocked or he’s ascetic something.

[wgeurts]

Fudge
We do know there's a cop as there's a miller

[wgeurts]

Trying to draw out a DQ claim, as then that gives hiplop room to claim.
DQ passively pushing hiplop makes it close to impossible to counter, so we need to bait them into explaining the vote on hip.

[hiplop]

amnesicac cop has only given one result, right?

obviously not real

[Plotinus]

right.

I want to push cabd on the are-you-ascetic-and-if-so-why-didn’t-you-crumb-it-you-crumbed-everything-else-ffs-or-were-we-just-roleblocked angle.

[wgeurts]

That would require claiming.
I suggest we push cabd later as claiming now doesn't make sense.

[Plotinus]

true.

I think I will just go through his ISO and “try to get a read on him” or something for now. To document that after night 2 I had sudden concerns about his slot without actually coming out and saying “are you ascetic or what”

maybe before we claim i’ll ask the mod a question in public about whether if an amnesiac cop sent their results to an ascetic would the ascetic get results.

but I agree not claiming right now.

Heartless apparently thinks effort is alignment indicative for me (it’s not) but I need to be efforting this game more than I have been anyway and I intend to.

[Plotinus]

i can’t shake the feeling that i’m about to be kicked out of the adult’s table and sent back to the kiddie table in this game. i don’t even know why. it’s an odd feeling when you’re in your mid 30s.

[Plotinus]

black metal’s ISO up to the replaceout:

Spoiler: links to post numbers

Acutest Kitty +101 +128 +133 +138 +142 +146 +151 +161 +164 +177 +180 +187 +194 +196 +203 +251 +260 R

All Alone R

Annadog40 R

drama queens -128 -131 -133 =138 =139 v-141 =142 -=146 -147 -149 -151 =154 -157 -161 -164 -169 -175 =177 -178 -180 -183 -187 -194 -195 -196 -198 -203 -208 -211 -215 -216 -225 -234 -239 -243 -249 -251 -253 -255 -?=260 -265 =270 =273 =279 -=283 -=286 R

farside +101 =-?136 +173 R

heartless -?=260 ==273 R

hiplop v-101 -128 u141 -198 -251 R

jeandarc R

massive -101 -128 R

red gyarados/vonflare =101 -?=260 R

sangres -=101 =260 -=273 -=279 R

veegee -101 -128 -138 -142 -146 -151 -161 -164 -177 -180 -187 -194 -196 -198 -203 =211 =218 =228 =231 =239 =241 -?=243 =249 =251 =253 -?=260 =262 =269 =276 R

what this means was that he was tunnelling veegee and drama queens and that he was hard defending me and that he was attacking hiplop but then veered off of hiplop onto dairy queens/veegee so i think if either hiplop or me are lynched there’s something to push on here with how he tied himself to us. but like obviously if you’re not me and i’ve flipped scum and you copy paste numbers thing into the thread then you’re claiming scum with me so don’t do that. but these are links that can be clicked on (they go to the public thread) for building cases later. gonna look at cabd next.

I think I still get towncred for my numbers thing because it’s a lot of work and because people haven’t figured out that it would be a really obvious trust tell if i only did it as town. if we get up to L-1 I’ll probably just dump numbers thing into the thread which I’ve done a bunch of times before as town with a legend for how to interpret it and “good luck!” and either they’ll not lynch us because why would I do that if I were scum or they will lynch us anyway and then you can go through the numbers thing trying to find my buddies; some of the people i was tying myself to have already been lynched/nightkilled but you should be able to find townies who’ve tied themselves to me if you look hard enough.

[Plotinus]

he /did/ crumb ascetic i just missed it. ugh.

Amnesiac cop not on me tonight please.

I meant scanning me. By all means give me the guilty on sangres

anyway ascetic isn’t the kind of role you crumb it’s the kind of role you claim early like miller, right?

[Plotinus]

BLACKMETAL/CABD slot numbers through 1108

Spoiler: numbers

Acutest Kitty +101 +128 +133 +138 +142 +146 +151 +161 +164 +177 +180 +187 +194 +196 +203 +251 +260 R +378 | -654 -?668 =874 |

All Alone R | -886 -933 -937 -950 -951 +?=959 -980 -1003 ✝

Annadog40 R +378 -497 | -879 -944 |

drama queens -128 -131 -133 =138 =139 v-141 =142 -=146 -147 -149 -151 =154 -157 -161 -164 -169 -175 =177 -178 -180 -183 -187 -194 -195 -196 -198 -203 -208 -211 -215 -216 -225 -234 -239 -243 -249 -251 -253 -255 -?=260 -265 =270 =273 =279 -=283 -=286 R =330 u351 | -?614 -617 -619 -?668 =784 =1001 -1003 =1004 -+1006 =1008 -?=1011 =1014 =1016 |

farside +101 =-?136 +173 R =?376 -378 | +548 +551 +581 +587 =590 +674 |

heartless -?=260 ==273 R | =665 =668 =674 =?838 -915 -944 -950 -951 =979 -980 =?994 =1052 |

hiplop v-101 -128 u141 -198 -251 R =?376 -378 | =590 -?=693 +840 =1016 |

jeandarc R =335 =497 -513 -515 | v590 -?668 ✝

massive -101 -128 R -378 | -1025 =1026 |

red gyarados/vonflare =101 -?=260 R =?488 ✝

sangres -=101 =260 -=273 -=279 R =323 =324 =326 =351 +-378 +-386 =387 -?424 +453 | +542 +545 +548 +551 =553 =555 =590 =784 =840 +-865 -?868 =874 =879 =882 =886 =887 +890 +894 =895 =902 -909 =?923 -v931 =933 -937 -940 +944 -947 =950 =951 -952 =954 =955 +959 =964 =972 -974 =979 =980 +989 =994 -997 =998 =1001 =1004 =1037 =1040 =1052 |

veegee -101 -128 -138 -142 -146 -151 -161 -164 -177 -180 -187 -194 -196 -198 -203 =211 =218 =228 =231 =239 =241 -?=243 =249 =251 =253 -?=260 =262 =269 =276 R v-453 ✝

has tied himself to hiplop a bit. has underinteracted with massive. his reads progression is almost static which is the first time i’ve seen that happen to a town aligned player.

it seems like he’d be willing to vote for: us, anna but sangres won’t let him and that wagon won’t take off, drama queens which would be nice but i think that wagon also doesn’t have much chance of taking off?, maybe heartless if he wasn’t kidding it’s hard to tell with cabd, maaaybe massive but maybe not.

hmm, he doesn’t seem to have enough townreads. i’ll push on that too.

[Plotinus]

Do you have an opinion on who I should ISO next? I might do massive next because it's shortest and maybe I could try to see what wgeurts is on about it.

don’t worry it’ll probably be a towncase.

[Plotinus]

because of my history of deathtunnelling my buddies.

[Plotinus]

lol. (i was 100% telling the truth in public (i am almost always telling the truth regardless of alignment). I have no idea why the town is sheeping me when i’m not even voting yet myself. so confused. like i have told them what my batting average has been recently. 2 correct townreads in a 9 player game recently. and they’ve seen me be wrong about a lot of slots in this game. and i pointed it out as an aside to dairy queens in the middle of get-to-know-a-cabd wow i have been wrong about a lot of things. and they’re sheeping me! soooo confused. someone tells you there towngame is in shambles. and it is, i can provide plenty of citations that my towngame is in shambles. and so you sheep them because they’ve been wrong 3 times already maybe the 4th time is the charm?)

anyway, good vote hiplop. i’m townreading you so it’s okay <3

they're probably not going to bus plot..

I’ve only been bussed once before but I totally deserved it. I wrote a gigantic towncase for myself in LYLO. like instead of trying to figure out who the scum were I wrote up a wall about why I was town. and it was a really really really bad towncase I had a paragraph or two that just meant “i participated in rvs” and then there was a paragraph about how i was selectively scumhunting and focusing on trying to find the sk (which isn’t actually a towntell). both my teammates voted me for that post but then we ended up lynching town anyway. (i reposted it to the scumposting thread, it’s here.)

[Plotinus]

*their