NY 189 - Flower Viewing Festival [~fin~]

[Slandaar]

Shazam I wanted to vote a lurker IAI was the only viable lurker for voting.

Well that just isn't true Shiro. Davsto was also available for voting.

[I Am Innocent]

Scummy - Shiro

Also what leads you to have this read.

As I was doing my catchup I had no pluses or minuses associated with shiro until she said late that she had no reads. I realized she was flying under the radar. Then she wanted to vote a lurker (pot meet kettle) and her only post throwing out reads had like 2 town reads and nothing else. Felt like spiffeh's 299, something to just appease the masses/show 'look I'm playing too, see I even have a few reads.

The timing of her vote on my wagon doesn't look good either (usually mid wagon scum like to hop on)

[Slandaar]

Salamence20.

[I Am Innocent]

Jeez this scumteam is really impatient.

What did you mean by this post?

[Slandaar]

Shiro do you always post so many images as town? (serious question I want links)

[AxleGreaser]

Town Reads are
Slight Town Reads for MarioManiac
Those who have done townie things which I can't still pull the trigger on to call townie are
Null
Scummy -

please explain how Mario got into that category.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... b%5d=25801

Mario's entrance was right as my wagon was heating up, and also being in that last game with me and pisskop and salamance where I was scum, the easy thing for scum Mario to have done would be to agree with others and stuck a vote on me, instead he started a wagon against salamance who was one of the 2 biggest cheerleaders for my wagon.

You had 3 votes 451 Salamance had just voted you at 450, why would it be easy for him to scum pile onto your wagon?
Don't scum usually spread out a bit?

His reasoning was

LE RESISTANCE

which would be pretty easy to just go back on later.
There is no commitment by MM4 to opposing your wagon.

Id call your wagon picking up speed to be 458 460 477

The situation when Mario entered was
3 votes, especially if the last one (Salas) was as you suppose a scum vote, that was not yet much thread sentiment at all.

[AxleGreaser]

Shiro do you always post so many images as town? (serious question I want links)

LOL

http://oi61.tinypic.com/2rqm05f.jpg (Oh btw that was Shiro agreeing with you that garmr was scum IIRC)

[Slandaar]

Don't like this post in general because it is both a defence and a mild accusation.

I have already responded to that point, I believe, Spiffeh.

38, 44, 48, 69

You're being overly emotional every time someone even mentions you and it needs to stop.

No day chat?

Care to try again, this reply is nigh-unintelligible.

iai should die

vote: iai

Did you really just put a crap wagon with barely any justification at l-2?
really?

VOTE: BananaCucho
Feels the need to respond to every vote, like he's a little insecure about the fact that he's getting votes?

every vote against him*

Please don't start this game with yet another case of early game WIFOM when he's probably just trolling for reactions. You're already jumping at shadows and the game only just started, this isn't healthy mentally speaking for you to be so on edge.

In any case, it's pretty presumptuous for you to assume any motives from Banana's play with barely anything to go on.

Don't like this either. Spiffeh makes an accusation in RVS, tn response is just completely over the top. It wasn't a bad accusation for the point in time, it doesn't make sense to say 'it's pretty presumptuous for you to assume any motives from Banana's play with barely anything to go on.' Especially when he in the same post can say 'he's probably trolling for reactions'.

Trolling for reactions shows he understands RVS - the response to Spiffeh suggests he doesn't. This kind of jump in level of thinking is likely to be scum.

[Shiro]

While trying please to ignore any wrongness.
Could you highlight which bits of "thought process" you like?

How he PoE who the potential scum in IAI wagon might be

Seemed legit. He is wrong about me and I think he is potentially wrong about Sakura but that doesn't negate that it seemed townie, I find it more likely that scum would just blankly blame someone in the middle or end

It is fakeable though so no strong feelings just an observation but yea

Btw axl I was reading masquerade to get a feel for flubber and boy I recalled why I loved that game while laughing like an idiot on the streets . So much snark and sarcasm


IAI that point is horrible like voting you would have been relatively worse because the case on you is summed up with lurked,someone says scumyoulurks,votesnwagon.

You are now active, voting you would have looked like someone coming in and being like "oh biggest wagon cool cool" votes

Shazam I wanted to vote a lurker IAI was the only viable lurker for voting.

Well that just isn't true Shiro. Davsto was also available for voting.

Spoiler:

Yea but he had less traction :/

Also it depends on my mood

I did have a fair amount here though
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=60825

But I had a fair amount in a scum game as well that is a newbie and I won't be bothered to search for same goes for a town newbie

If I am jot mistaken from my games games here I used a lot of images in 3 2 I was town 1 I was scum

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=62260

A few are present here as well uhm... Didn't I post pics in Masquerade as well? I am certain I used the cherry and this

Spoiler:

[Shiro]

Shiro do you always post so many images as town? (serious question I want links)

LOL

http://oi61.tinypic.com/2rqm05f.jpg (Oh btw that was Shiro agreeing with you that garmr was scum IIRC)

I had forgotten that XD and that was about him saying I am scum so vigorously

[I Am Innocent]

Look at how easily shiro and spiffeh get on my wagon, Mario could have done the same, instead he goes after salamance, a slot I'm very concerned about as salamance is right, he knows my scum game better than anyone on this player list, yet still thinks I'm scum.

[Shiro]

Look at how easily shiro and spiffeh get on my wagon, Mario could have done the same, instead he goes after salamance, a slot I'm very concerned about as salamance is right, he knows my scum game better than anyone on this player list, yet still thinks I'm scum.

I.jumped on your wagon like a kitty on a red laser dot: 3

In all seriousness though I have been ok with your latest posts. The main problem I have with your thoughts though is that this is fay 1 lots of town just sheep day 1 so it is just as possible for people to just be town for it

[AxleGreaser]

Look at how easily shiro and spiffeh get on my wagon, Mario could have done the same, instead he goes after salamance, a slot I'm very concerned about as salamance is right, he knows my scum game better than anyone on this player list, yet still thinks I'm scum.

Yeah but if as you say Sala is scum I don't know why you expect scum:Mario to have jumped on as well, and you expect it so much that him not doing so is read as town.

[I Am Innocent]

Look at how easily shiro and spiffeh get on my wagon, Mario could have done the same, instead he goes after salamance, a slot I'm very concerned about as salamance is right, he knows my scum game better than anyone on this player list, yet still thinks I'm scum.

I.jumped on your wagon like a kitty on a red laser dot: 3

In all seriousness though I have been ok with your latest posts. The main problem I have with your thoughts though is that this is fay 1 lots of town just sheep day 1 so it is just as possible for people to just be town for it

Yeah I expect about 4 or 5 town to be on it. But that still leaves 2 or 3 scum.

[AxleGreaser]

I find it more likely that scum would just blankly blame someone in the middle or end

It is fakeable though so no strong feelings just an observation but yea

Ta. That is what I was looking for.

[I Am Innocent]

Look at how easily shiro and spiffeh get on my wagon, Mario could have done the same, instead he goes after salamance, a slot I'm very concerned about as salamance is right, he knows my scum game better than anyone on this player list, yet still thinks I'm scum.

Yeah but if as you say Sala is scum I don't know why you expect scum:Mario to have jumped on as well, and you expect it so much that him not doing so is read as town.

I wouldn't expect him to also vote a teammate (sal) and big cheerleader of a town wagon either. Many other options than starting up that wagon

[Shiro]

I find it more likely that scum would just blankly blame someone in the middle or end

It is fakeable though so no strong feelings just an observation but yea

Ta. That is what I was looking for.

Shiro is confused

[AxleGreaser]

I find it more likely that scum would just blankly blame someone in the middle or end

It is fakeable though so no strong feelings just an observation but yea

Ta. That is what I was looking for.

Shiro is confused

Axle is confusing. Apologies.

In 648 I was looking for a place that if I poked there and you were scum you might not be bale to answer the question in a way that i 'expected'. In fact you didnt answer it in way i had expected as i had not seen that particular piece of "thought process". You get bonus good points for that.

Spoiler: counterpoint

If I had replied that was not the kind of reasoning i was looking for, it would mean your jedi mind trick had failed

[Slandaar]

Anyway, keeping my vote where it is. Echo's play is still questionable to me, although Axle is working his way up the list.

What is questionable about Echo's play?

[Davsto]

Frogger, I'm townreading you.

Shut the fuck up.

Seems a bit buddyish. "I'm townreading you, so you can't scumread me".

VOTE: Spiffeh

Call it a gut scumread, if you will. I didn't like his approach to the game.

Unexplained vote, three votes into a wagon.

I've read the thread, Sakura. Everything's null to me at the moment. Give people more time to figure out the motivations of others, will you!

Everything null 173 posts in? Not even any reads? Feels like an attempt to avoid having to post suspicious opinions yet.

Well, my head says that if you guys keep spamming, people are going to get apathetic and leave.

Trying to convince people to post and help less.

You don't say. It's 5 day deadlines, of course they have Day Chat. Probably by an encryptor, I suppose.

Reads a bit weird, as if he's purposely being obtuse - acting like he doesn't know scum has Day Chat even though it's in the rules to make it seem like he doesn't know because he's not scum..?

And

that

confirms Shazam as town. Thanks!

Ricastle is probably town.

Two completely unexplained townreads. Not a fan.

[Flubbernugget]

Would you like to start a counter wagon on Salamance? I could entertain that.

So could i

[AxleGreaser]

First i am going to point out that Echo Echo has amde 8 times as many posts as you so there are more chances you can find stuff to point at.
and then i will examine your first point.

Frogger, I'm townreading you.

Shut the fuck up.

Seems a bit buddyish. "I'm townreading you, so you can't scumread me".

and it seems that if you are correct that both you and Echo Echo dont know fro99er very well.
Well actually I am not sure who is buddied by being told to

shut the fuck up

.

249
Does not fit your buddying theory.

Drive over the thread like bulldozer seems a more apt description

Re 268 No I am pretty sure people getting apathetic and leaving a highly spammy post filled game is thing that happens....
Here is link to guy that claims to be apathetic already... 217

yet you claim more contribution (even if as it is as he said spam) is just better?

Trying to convince people to post and help less.

TLDR: 669 seems to be jamming square peg in a round hole.

[Flubbernugget]

Actually if iai's scum game is this bad coupled with the short deadline, bringing up an iai cw might not be worth it

[Flubbernugget]

Ehhh their play improved reading past when I wrote that post but I think the point still stands

[AxleGreaser]

I am going to assume 673 is an addendum to 672 and "their" refers to IAI.
k.

and yes i am not highly impressed by the theory that scum have to form counter wagons (in 12 hrs or less)(work commitments etc don't count for some reason?) or else the current wagon cant be on scum....
because once that is the default theory the obvious way to stall wagon on scum is do nothing.