Mini 1701 - Modified Werewolf 13er

[BlueBloodedToffee]

No.

Not redff

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I need some time.

I have no idea who the last scum is.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Talk to me doctor.

[Doctor Who]

BBT - what did you think of my case on redFF at the end of yesterday? I need something to work with there besides that you are lost. Take a look at the remaining players and see how they fit the narrative. Do you see how redFF was defending Bulb by attacking RedC? His reasoning was that RedC was off on his read before which is a really poor reason - folks get things wrong all of the time. Being wrong about person X does not mean they are wrong about person Y.

There were four wagons on Day 1 that got to L-2 or higher. Here they are in order. I think the Day 2 lynch wagon is especially telling - after losing a scum day 1, don't you think there would be scum pushing the lynch of a townie? So far there are no confirmed scum on said wagon.

Wagon 1

Day 1: 7 votes required out of 13 players - Deadline is (expired on 2015-08-07 13:30:00); updated through post 168
Name_______________Count___Voters (Post)
Doctor Who__________6______Boonskiies (9), BlueBloodedToffee (66), Keyser Söze (72),

absta101 (132)

,

Bulbazoor (138)

, redff (168)
no vote_____________2______

Banakai

,

RedCoyote

absta101____________1______Zoronos (102)

BlueBloodedToffee___1______

Kmd4390 (144)

Haschel Cedricson

___1______Doctor Who (51)

Kmd4390

_____________1______

TonyMontana (13)

unvote______________1______

Haschel Cedricson

(76)

Wagon 2

Day 1: 7 votes required out of 13 players - Deadline is (expired on 2015-08-07 13:30:00); updated through post 564
Name_______________Count___Voters (Post)

absta101

____________5______

Zoronos (102), Kmd4390 (175)

, Boonskiies (485), redff (531), BlueBloodedToffee (564)
Boonskiies__________3______

absta101 (422)

,

Banakai

(472),

TonyMontana (533)

unvote______________2______

Bulbazoor (301)

, Keyser Söze (510)

Banakai

_____________1______

Haschel Cedricson

(502)

Bulbazoor

___________1______Doctor Who (169)
no vote_____________1______

RedCoyote

Wagon 3

Day 1: 7 votes required out of 13 players - Deadline is (expired on 2015-08-07 13:30:00); updated through post 788
Name_______________Count___Voters (Post)

Banakai

_____________5______

Haschel Cedricson

(502),

RedCoyote (649)

,

Bulbazoor (702)

, Boonskiies (710), BlueBloodedToffee (788)
Boonskiies__________4______

absta101 (422)

,

Banakai (472)

,

TonyMontana (533), Kmd4390 (592)

BlueBloodedToffee___2______Doctor Who (650), redFF (681)

absta101

____________1______

Zoronos (102)

unvote______________1______Keyser Söze (510)

Wagon 4

Day 1: 7 votes required out of 13 players - Deadline is (expired on 2015-08-07 13:30:00); updated through post 964
Name_______________Count___Voters (Post)

Banakai

_____________7______

Haschel Cedricson

(502),

RedCoyote (649)

,

Bulbazoor (702)

, Boonskiies (710), BlueBloodedToffee (940),

absta101 (941)

,

Banakai

(964)

absta101

____________3______redff (790), Keyser Söze (805), Doctor Who (808)
Boonskiies__________2______

Kmd4390 (592), TonyMontana (839)

TonyMontana_________1______

Zoronos (850)

___

For Days 2 and 3, the only wagons that got to L-2 or higher were the lynch wagons.

Day 2: 6 votes required out of 11 players - Deadline is (expired on 2015-08-07 13:30:00); updated through post 1311
Name_______________Count___Voters (Post)

Zoronos

_____________6______

RedCoyote (979), Kmd4390 (1001),

Keyser Söze (1148), redFF (1259),

absta101 (1285)

, Boonskiies (1311)
BlueBloodedToffee___1______Doctor Who (1014)

Kmd4390_____________1______Zoronos (1033)

redFF_______________1______BlueBloodedToffee (1177)
TonyMontana_________1______

Bulbazoor (1194)

unvote______________1______

TonyMontana (1211)

___

Day 3: 5 votes required out of 9 players - Deadline is (expired on 2015-09-02 11:30:00); updated through post 1481
Name_______________Count___Voters (Post)

absta101

____________5______Boonskiies (1362), redFF (1390), Keyser Söze (1408),

TonyMontana (1470)

, Doctor Who (1481)
Bulbazoor___________2______

RedCoyote (1322)

, BlueBloodedToffee (1465)
no vote_____________1______

Bulbazoor

redFF_______________1______

absta101 (1329)

___

Analysis

Day 1 Wagon 1 - confirmed late scum support of the wagon. Note Banakai hadn't voted yet - he hadn't posted before that but when he did show up he said he'd have supported it. Either you think DW is scum, or the remaining scum is on my wagon.

Day 1 Wagon 2 - absta is town, you'd expect scum to support it, Boon, BBT, and redFF are left. If you think scum didn't support it, you'd look at me and Keyser. For any given five players, don't you think there would be a scum in there, especially since the wagon was on town?

Day 1 Wagon 3 - Banakai. You can see that scum were supporting both leading wagons. Do you think the remaining scum would support a wagon on a scumbuddy at that point? If you do, look at BBT and Boon.

Day 1 Wagon 4 - BBT dropped off, but then came back. I think Banakai rage self-hammered since his scumbuddies Bulb and redFF hadn't even bothered to move their votes since Wagon 3. There is no way that all three scum voted day 1 (without daytalk) to vote one of their own out.

Day 2 - Boon quickhammers. do you really think that after scum was lynched day 1 that no scum would be on the day 2 town lynch wagon? This points to Keyser, redFF, and Boon.

Day 3 - If you believe scum weren't on the wagon, then suspect BBT. Otherwise Boon, Red, Keyser, and me.

[Doctor Who]

You know, now that I put all the pieces together about all the players, I'm pretty convinced that the last two scum are in {redFF, Bulba and absta} anyway.

And let me return to this point. When you are a cop (or seer), do you investigate pro-town candidates, or scummy ones? Given that you investigate the scummy and that the scum offed pro-town players, doesn't it stand to reason that RedC was getting pro-town reads before his guilty on Bulb? We don't know for sure who he investigate, but he had three before he died. Other than the remaining scum, he knows the most.

My case against redFF aside, isn't the smart play to listen to the seer?

On the remote chance that we are wrong, today isn't LYLO, tomorrow is.

[Keyser Söze]

This is where I am:

redFF today.

BlueBloodedToffee tomorrow (but not before a closer look at Boonskiies' slot!).


My 'confident town-reads' have been 100% so far.
I'll post more tomorrow/this weekend.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Keyser, you should explain why you're scum reading me. I have been asking for 2 game days now.

Doctor I have a very simple question to ask you; do you think I would be alive if Redff was scum?

[Keyser Söze]

Yes, I will post my full reads and reasons this weekend.

Could you explain your change of read on redFF:

Yeah, if Bulba flips scum I'm 100% lynching Redff.

No.

Not redff

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Sure, it's right above your post.

[Keyser Söze]

do you think I would be alive if Redff was scum?

The strongest town-reads have been killed each night (or who scum thought were the PR's), there was no chance of you, Boonskiies (or redFF if town) being NK'd.

absta101 scum-read redFF but was kept alive because he was obviously lynch-bait, and was lynched by town.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Sure, I mean, I guess you're entitled to your opinion.

In my opinion, if Redff was scum, I would now be dead. He would have known I was coming into this Day looking for his head and I just drove a scum lynch as well - I have been left alive to drive a mislynch on Redff. I feel fairly confident that he is town.

Last scum is in Boon/Keyser.

[Keyser Söze]

Sure, I mean, I guess you're entitled to your opinion.

In my opinion, if Redff was scum, I would now be dead. He would have known I was coming into this Day looking for his head and I just drove a scum lynch as well - I have been left alive to drive a mislynch on Redff. I feel fairly confident that he is town.

Last scum is in Boon/Keyser.

I think everyone is "looking for his head" now. Doctor Who's narrative on Bulbazoor-redFF was very good.

Let me take a step back.
I've only had a weak town-read of Boonskiies since D1 because Banakai was scum-reading him hard on D1 and pushing his wagon. I will need to look at the D1

Banakai vs Boonskiies

'confrontation' again - do you think it was scum theatrics to create WIFOM?


Digging up a Boonskiies read-list, this is very alarming:

Solid town read:


Tony
BBT
Bulb
Zoronos
KMD


null ish on:

redFF

Who

RC


Scum:

Keyser
Absta.


So I have some pretty drastic read changes...I no longer believe Kmd is scum, and

Keyser is yet again hard pinging me

.

I believe one of Absta/Redff to be scum

, and 100% agree that one of them should be the lynch toDay. I would much prefer Absta, to be honest, if only for the fact that I feel Absta is more slippery than Redff.

There is no way Bulb is scum in my eyes

. Who I have barely been reading his posts, to be honest. And RC, i've been reading, but too lazy to form an opinion on.

I want Absta lynched

.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

That isn't a great reads-list.

I'm wondering whether Boon managed to pocket me earlier in the game and has then used this to coast by the rest of the game up to this point. I think he knows me well enough to know that I would defend him pretty hard if people started pushing for his lynch - his play over the last few game days has been appalling.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

And on the other side I'm sitting here wondering - why the fuck is Keyser still alive? Everybody and their dog has been town reading you since D1, and yet, here you are.

[Keyser Söze]

VOTE: Boon

I bought idiot town for woody, but I have a hard time believing this slot was simply idiot town twice. Also not much point for me to be on a wagon nobody is helping with. I still suspect red ff.

Boons posts especially look more like scum than idiot town.

I will post more about him in a little bit

A few points here:

- Banakai confuses Boonskiie's slot for WoodyWoodpecker's.
It was Doctor Who who replaced WoodyWoodpecker (Boonskiies who replaced Vinkah).

Questions

Would scum-Banakai confuse his scum partner Boonskiies for WoodyWoodpecker's slot?
Was this a slip or an intentional 'slip'?


- "I still suspect red ff." Banakai repeats his scum-read of redFF.

Earlier Banakai had declared: "red ff is town". The chronological progression of his town-to-scum-read on redFF was contradictory (which was scummy).

[Keyser Söze]

And on the other side I'm sitting here wondering - why the fuck is Keyser still alive? Everybody and their dog has been town reading you since D1, and yet, here you are.

According to my town-read list, either me or Doctor Who will be night-killed next.
There have been no suprising/shocking NK's so far.

But as I said, there was no chance of you, Boonskiies or redFF being NK'd (my opinion, based on my town-reads).

I need to dig-up why I thought RedCoyote had investigated you...

I would

not

want to lynch one of RedCoyote's town-reads today (I presume Bulbazoor was his one positive result, and he got town-results for the other investigations).

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Hmm, Keyser your ISO from D1 is quite interesting. You talk about Banakai - a lot. You pressure him, question him and appear to scum read him for some of the time. Yet, you never once vote for him - instead choosing to pursue other wagons. I mean, your read changes on him a lot from slight town, to mixed read, to scum read and you never appear to sort it out. All the while, you avoid his wagon like the plague and instead choose to push Absta.

This is classic FoS buddy, vote town. When I get some more time I'm going to look into you a little further and a little more closely.

PEdit - I have no idea why you think you would be a NK priority for scum, you've been absent a lot the past couple of game days. I figured if you were scum your play-style would be quite difficult to replicate and that looks like it could be the case - your activity and contribution has dwindled massively.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You only just made it onto the Bulba wagon as well and I'm struggling to find your reasoning for why you voted him.

Also, can you explain your scum read on me. You have scum read me since D1 and have never pushed it - why is this? Why have you not pushed me, voted me, presented your reasons? I think I was your late-game play - scum read me all game, take me to LyLo and you've never had to changed reads/reevaluate the game.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

In fact, before I even look any further into your ISO

VOTE: Keyser

This needs to happen.

[Keyser Söze]

Banakai's case on Boonskiies (scum vs scum? ):

post 499
post 690

This was VC @ Post #678 (the LEADING WAGON):

Boonskiies (4): absta101, Banakai, Tony Montana, Kmd4390

absta101 (3): Zoronos, Boonskiies, redff
Banakai (2): Haschel Cedricson, Red Coyote
Tony Montana (1): BlueBloodedToffee
BlueBloodedToffee (1): Doctor Who

Not Voting (2): Bulbazoor, Keyser Söze



Banakai had a hard-on for the Boonskiies lynch - but slipped in redFF's name too:

Also I'm fucking confused who I should be voting.

Who are you considering and why?

Basically boon and redff

. I can understand some other wagons but they aren't screaming scum for me.

Woody's slot I have to see more from his replacement

Boon for obvious reasons and I'll explain redff a little more when I get to a computer

I would be uncomfortable with a Boonskiies-lynch atm based on Banakai's D1 attention on Boonskiies slot.

[Keyser Söze]

In fact, before I even look any further into your ISO

VOTE: Keyser

This needs to happen.

This lynch won't be happening. If I am lynched, Doctor Who will be NK'd.
Then town will be left with you, redFF and Boonskiies
3 players I do not have a strong town read of.

My online-activity has been low on various threads and forums these past couple weeks - it is not alignment indicative.
I have been happy with my performance this game, and the development of my reads. It wasn't 100%, but 2 out of 4 is very good IMO.

Btw, you have been in my 'uncomfortable' list for most of the game. This means I did not fully town-read you, but it didn't mean I wanted to lynch you. I favoured Banakai, Zoronos, absta101 and Bulbazoor lynches over you.
By PoE you can still be town, but you are not in my TOP TOWN PACK (which I have been consistent with since D1)

This is where I am:

I do not want these lynched D1:

Kmd4390
Red Coyote

Doctor Who

Haschel Cedricson
Zoronos

redff

Uncomfortable zone:

Bulbazoor

Boonskiies
BlueBloodedToffee

Uncomfortable zone:

Banakai

Tony Montana

absta101

I do not think Boonskiies-Banakai or Doctor Who-BlueBloodedToffee is scum-scum.

More of my town-lean reads are on the Banakai wagon. More of my scum-lean reads are on the Boonskiies wagon. Even though I believe a Boonskiies flip would tell us alot about other players, I do not want to lynch a player I town-lean (weak) read. But I would prefer a Boonskiies/Banakai lynch than a no lynch. I currently do not like the Banakai lynch because I fear possible opportunistic scum-play by BlueBloodedToffee and absta101.

I'm liking redFF as town now (he has become a vocal (direct) player - he has been more motivated versus the 1st half of D1). I liked his stance that it shouldn't be a case of choosing between

Boonskiies or Banakai

.

VOTE: absta101

D2

I do not want these lynched D2:
Boonskiies
redff

Red Coyote

Doctor Who

Kmd4390

Bulbazoor

Uncomfortable zone:

Tony Montana

BlueBloodedToffee

Uncomfortable zone (D2 lynch candidates):

absta101

Zoronos

Currently, more of my town-reads are on my two main scum-read wagons:

absta101 (2): Boonskiies, redFF
Zoronos (3): RedCoyote, Kmd4390, Keyser Söze
BlueBloodedToffee (2): Doctor Who, Tony Montana
Kmd4390 (1): Zoronos
Tony Montana (1): absta101
Not Voting (2): Bulbazoor, BlueBloodedToffee

I no longer think absta101-Tony Montana are

both

scum, more likely one town or both town.

BBT is not reading.

I think you are scum to be honest

. You are barely reading the context of the thread. I am stating that I do not like coyote so far and you ignore it. I townread zoro yesterday and abdta was a town read as well. Coyote, if you are town, stop deathtunneling me. You and tony are my scum reads

You have scum-read BlueBloodedToffee from D1, but still no vote for him?

Scum can town-read town to gain town-cred - using it as an argument is scummy.

Confident town reads:
Doctor Who

TonyMontana

Weak town read:
Boonskiies

Uncomfortable zone:
BlueBloodedToffee
redFF

Lynch candidate:

Bulbazoor

@MOD. VC please.

I think Bulbazoor is L-1, I can hammer or should we look at D3 more?

I promise to give you a full-read on your slot this weekend.

This will affirm my positions on redFF and Boonkiies' slots too

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Doctor, I have done a quick ISO of the VCs from D1 and I think your VCA is somewhat lacking - you miss a lot of important information by only looking at wagons that got to L-2 or higher (I believe this VC falls under your bracket, no?)

Vote Count

Banakai

(5):

Haschel Cedricson

,

Red Coyote

,

Bulbazoor

, Boonskiies, BlueBloodedToffee

Boonskiies

(4):

absta101

,

Banakai

,

Tony Montana

,

Kmd4390

absta101

(4):

Zoronos

, redff, Keyser Söze, Doctor Who

Not Voting

(0):

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2015-08-07 13:30:00)[/color]

The other scum is 100% pushing the Absta lynch. Scum spread themselves out to push multiple wagons to counter the Banakai wagon.

I plan on doing a full VCA and having a closer look at Keyser tonight.

[Doctor Who]

Keyser, you should explain why you're scum reading me. I have been asking for 2 game days now.

Doctor I have a very simple question to ask you; do you think I would be alive if Redff was scum?

I'm not following your line of reasoning. You'll need to just come out and say what you are thinking.

After the Bulb lynch, there was one scum left. Who does that scum choose to kill? Lots of things can go into the decision, but at the end of the day the scum took out the Angel.

You had come to the conclusion yesterday (game day) that redFF was the scum, and so did I.

[Doctor Who]

Sure, I mean, I guess you're entitled to your opinion.

In my opinion, if Redff was scum, I would now be dead. He would have known I was coming into this Day looking for his head and I just drove a scum lynch as well - I have been left alive to drive a mislynch on Redff. I feel fairly confident that he is town.

Last scum is in Boon/Keyser.

You are drinking the WIFOM kool-aid. redFF chainsawed for bulba vs redC. redFF is on redC's short list.

But let me humor you, which one of them is the scum and why?

[Shinobi]

bump