NY 187: Pariah's Mafia [/FIN]

[Ankamius]

Who's left?

[Titus]

Keysor, Hermit, Duppin

[Ankamius]

Keysor.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

What the fuck is this nominating shit?

I am town [citizen] which is totally different than vanilla town

[Titus]

The idea behind PR versus VT (Citizen) mass claim is that scum don't know who they are ccing with PR and VT and must decide before knowing all the setup.

Second, you are supposed to popcorn to your scumread. Thus scum (with a smart town) are forced towards the front. They have to then pick their biggest scumread out of who is left, thus generating info.

Once everyone has claimed, PRs claim.

[Kitty Galore]

Boon is scum.. I have been saying it all along.

If you don't like my tentative team reads then whatever. I feel like most likely I may be the only townie left. So it doesn't really matter what I say, either I will be portrayed as scum, or if I am right some might want me to the end. I never said I was good a this game. I am a much better scum player than a town player. I am a great person to take to the end as I can easily be mislynched. Titus, I know this could be fallacious, but I really feel if you were town, you would have no doubt I was town. None of the three last townies who were killed had any interest in lynching me, they were also much more experienced. Town knew I am not scum.

[Titus]

I am not believing you Kitty. You are electively applying the facts at best. Garmr was arguing I was 100% town until the end, yet you're arguing I am scum. Disagreeing with Garmr would be OK, but for the fact you're trying to convince me you're innocent due to the dead people believing you are not scum. Your argument is at best hypocritical.

Second, if you've looked at my town games recently, I look more at votes than I do reactions.

[Kitty Galore]

What part of VCA makes me scum? Or is that part not your read on me?

Can you show specific VCA that shows me as scum? I would love to see that.

[Titus]

@Kitty, that's not how my VCA works. I find town and work backwards using a series of assumptions about scum's play based on the flips we've seen.

Given the number of townflups we've seen, I am not expecting heavy or sudden scum pushes. Starting from that premise, multi group scum, and I am town, those conclusions fall more naturally.

[Kitty Galore]

How does your VCA give a scum result on me?

You didn't answer my question.

You said, as town, your reads are from VCA, yet you have a solid scum read on me. Is your read on me NOT based on VCA, thus, how town are you?

Oh, and btw, you are deflecting.

[Titus]

No, you're not understanding. I already showed my work. I deduce who is town first and work with what's left over based on PoE.

I state my assumptions and work from there. I repeated them for you.

It's not deflecting to state that you work from town to find scum.

Why are you so focused on looking town rather than pushing scum?

[Kitty Galore]

LOL oh I am pushing scum....

There is only one person I am absolutely certain is town, and when I see someone pushing that person, I need to get to the bottom of it, that person I am certain of, is me.

[Titus]

So who are you pushing as scum? You gave a throwaway comment that Boon was scum and you're trying to convince me you're town.

Second, you should be able to deduce here that Aero more than likely is town, thanks to his current status as unced PR, which puts him as likely even night vig. The "I'm the only town" is fake as shit.

[Kitty Galore]

You are the one who had Aero in your scum pool. Has that changed?

And one of duppin/garmr. Garmr is flipped town, where does that leave duppin for you? What does that do to your VCA? I think your VCA doesn't mean (garmr/BBT/and now according to you Aero) much and when you are town it is how you scum hunt... soooo....

I have mostly been scum reading you and Boon.. pretty much all game, I am just not experienced enough to make cases and push people, since I have been ignored the whole game. If I am wrong an you and Boon are town.. well I will have to sheepishly apologize. I am ready to do that. I think I am right though.

Does it bother you that I am asking so many questions of you? Why is that?

[Titus]

Obviously by my response, that has changed unless someone else claims PR. There's no way we are looking at three anti town factions so as long as Aero is the sole PR, he's town.

Duppin is scum that's not red in my VCA.

You've got a major woe is me complex. Now that I am calling you out, you're claiming you're not experienced enough to make cases. Yet, when I entered you made a horrible case on me stating my entrance was bad. So which is it? Are you capable of making cases or not?

The last is a leading question implying I should have a problem with you asking me questions. I don't. Your questions make your alignment obvious and should make me obvious town to the group, so keep peppering.

VOTE: Kitty Galore

[Kitty Galore]

OK I am at about 75% certainty on this VCA pool for the red team. I expect a blue flip or two in there as well but I don't want to say that is the pool for them yet.

One of Duppin/Garmr (early dragon wagons).
Kitty
Aero
Boonskiies
Hermit
BBT

So here according to your town game of VCA you have me as scum... show your work please based on my votes to this point.

What's your read on me Titus, and why?

Scum. You have been just throwing mud around at people easy to lynch (which is true of me as town) and people who will not be lynched bc obvtown (Garmr). You still say "my entrance was shit" after being proven wrong on that.

This scum read is not VCA which you self describe as your town game. I asked you why, had nothing to do with your "town" game of VCA, you don't even mention it. Interesting.

Oh and wasn't garmr in your scum pool? now in the post above he is obv town? Your "reads and VCA" are awesome.

[Kitty Galore]

LOL I am town capable of making horrible cases.

Doesn't mean I am not going to try, it is the only way I am gonna get better. I don't agree that I am "woe is me", I am town trying to play to my win condition when it seems all is lost. One scum lynched and tons of townies killed.

Go ahead and lynch me, if you choose. I am townie, and yes please let that somehow prove you are too. It is laughable.

[Kitty Galore]

Gotta go for a bit.

[Boonskiies]

Oh, hi, kitty. I'm boonskiies, mafiascum's greatest village idiot.

[Titus]

My VCA includes all possibilities and is revised with each flip. I already pitched my old notes for that prior VCA. If you were concerned, why didn't you ask then? If it's important to town, I will try to recreate it.

I don't mention the phrase VCA in every single post, yet you'll find the reads I push consistent with it.

[duppin]

Duppin, how exactly am I town? I haven't done practically anything since I replaced in.

I didn't actually call you town. I said I liked you and that I wouldn't lynch you today. This is mostly based on PoE. (but yes I did like your interaction with Dragonspawn/Ronit, even though he rolled town it felt genuine to me)
I believe there is at least one scum between Titus, Hermit and Boon. I find all of them rather suspicious.
I am not too fond of Kitty, but not sure what to make of the votes on her now. (the world she brought up now doesn't make sense at all. It sounds like she gave up, but not sure that is a scum tell at all which worries me a little.)
Not interested in an Aero lynch today. Wasn't interested in Keyser's either, but would like to hear his claim.

[duppin]

Accidently split up my post. Sorry

Alright, catching up.

Pending roleclaims:

Saint Constantine the Hermit (requested by Boonskiies)
Ankamius (requested by Keyser Söze)

duppin (roleclaim when you are next online).

VT or PR.

I don't mind claiming.
I am a PR.

I am not entirely sure what to make of your logic though. You haven't claimed yet, yet you requested a claim from Ank and told me to claim as well. Mind explaining this? I can see two reasons for it, but it depends on your claim.

[Keyser Söze]

OK... we started with 21 players. Based on a balanced 4:1 (town:scum) set-up you would expect 5 or 6 scum:

15 (or 16) town.

(7/7 TOWN PR) [4 confirmed]

Annadog40, [Town] Gunsmith, was Killed Night 01
RadiantCowbells, [Town] Weak Bodyguard, was Killed Night 02
Bulbazoor, [Town] Tracker, was Killed Night 03
BlueBloodedToffee, [Town] Odd-Night Vigilante, was killed Night 04

Keyser Söze PR
Aeronaut PR
duppin PR

(13/13 TOWN CITIZEN) [8 confirmed]

Prolapsed Brain, [Town] Citizen, was Lynched Day 01
Klingoncelt, [Town] Citizen, was Killed Night 01
mykonian, [Town] Citizen, was Killed Night 01
ronit, [Town] Citizen, was Lynched Day 03
Shazam, [Town] Citizen, was Killed Night 03
Firebringer, [Town] Citizen, was Lynched Day 04
Garmr [Town] Citizen, was Killed Night 04
FA_Q2 [Town] Citizen, was Killed Night 04

Titus Citizen
Kitty Galore Citizen
Boonskiies Citizen
Ankamius Citizen
Saint Constantine the Hermit Citizen

6 (or 5) scum.

(3/3 Scum A) [1 confirmed]

davesaz, [Mafia] JoaT (1-Shot Ninja, 1-Shot Doctor, 1-Shot Cop), was Lynched Day 02
Mafia
Mafia

(2/2)/(3/3) Scum B?

Scum B
Scum B
Scum B?


If we presume

15 town

started the game:
That's either 5:10, 6:9 or 7:8 (PR:citizen ratio)

If we presume

16 town

started the game:
That's either 5:11, 6:10 or 7:9 (PR:citizen ratio)

If it's 7:8 that means all 5 players who have claimed VT are scum.

[Titus]

@Keysor, your logic presumes that all PR claimers are town. While I believe you and Aero are town, I think getting full claims from the three of you is the next step.

Since you are the last to claim PR Keyser, you are first to fullclaim.

[Titus]

Also why are you presuming 3 scum on scum A but a variable amount on scum B?