NY 188: Delicious Mafia II (Post-game chatter)

[Annadog40]

Maybe it's a half win, Like they both get half the prize.

[Annadog40]

Maybe it's a half win, Like they both get half the prize.

Example:
If the prize was Ice Cream, one team would get only ice and the other would get only cream.

I gonna keep my vote where it is for now.

[Nosferatu]

I'm losing conviction with this wagon.
UNVOTE: Kop

So for finding the remaining scum:

So far the people who I think are town are:
Skybird
Mahon
Anna

Which through PoE would make ~3 of the following scum:
Lapsa
Fro99er
Kop
gm

Would it be a good idea to massclaim right now? All of the extremely pro-town roles (doctor, cop, etc) are gone, and with role in mind, finding scum might be easier. I'm however unsure of this, as it may give scum more information and make better nightkills, however I doubt there are anymore powerful town roles anymore. What's the general consensus on whether we should roleclaim or not?

[Lapsa]

What's the general consensus on whether we should roleclaim or not?

it's pointless

[Nosferatu]

may I inquire how so?

[Lapsa]

may I inquire how so?

yes

[Nosferatu]

What's the general consensus on whether we should roleclaim or not?

it's pointless

how so?

[Fro99er]

I trust Lapsa a weird amount right now and I don't know why.

Because you're scum?

[Fro99er]

Anyway werewolf is Kop and so is GM. Mafia is either Lapsa, Mahonster or Sky. I'm not sure which but Sky is least likely.

Anna and Nos are basically conftown in my mind.

Sky, if you think it's not Kop, then who are your scum candidates?

[Skybird]

Frogger, one thing I keep going back to is Silverwolf definitely seemed to trust Kop. She is generally very good at reading people.

However, if Kop were mafia or werewolf, I would think that Kop would tell his team to leave her alone until she started suspecting him. But the other team could have got her.

How about lynching GM today? I haven't seen much of game solving out of her and I know she is a good player.

[goodmorning]

Maybe it's a half win, Like they both get half the prize.

Example:
If the prize was Ice Cream, one team would get only ice and the other would get only cream.

If I were Scum, I'd want the ice. It's really fucking hot here.

Anyway werewolf is Kop and so is GM.

...you think I'd waste time rebutting your case my partner with a wagon on him I couldn't be certain I'd derail?

No, I'm Town, and Kop is probably Town too, and you should do some better hunting than that, especially if you actually are Mafia (which is even more strongly implied by your certainty on Wolves, like you've been Wolf-hunting, and uncertainty on Mafia, as though you haven't given a single scrap of effort).

Ooh, unless Oz used his Seer on Kop and got Guilty and then pretended it was a Cop on you instead so you'd look inno... ooohhhhhh, maybe that's what he meant in 2908(!!!) Kop is probably a WW? Doesn't reiterate Frogger-copping results? SOLVED IT GUYS

No, I'm more inclined to think he's Town, though it is an interesting idea.

@Nos: How do you envision a massclaim being anything but useless?

I'm losing conviction with this wagon.
UNVOTE: Kop

I'm not a huge fan of this, especially given that the vote was a complete sheep too:

I'm comfortable with this VOTE: Kop

In fact, Nos hasn't posted anything particularly valuable in a while.

I haven't seen much of game solving out of her

and I know she is a good player.

So, calling out Frogger's shit case, postulating several reasons he might be the last Maf, continuing to scumread Mahon, pointing out that Anna's question to me about NKs could be construed as scummy,

literally creating a moving readslist so people could ask me what events changed my mind on people that every single person ignored

, and generally being preempted in catching up for like 3 game Days, that's not game solving to you?

It's neither my job nor my style to lead the Town to victory, so if that's what you were looking for from me, don't.

But I am ridiculously flattered that you think I'm good.

[Lapsa]

how so?

@Nos: How do you envision a massclaim being anything but useless?

i couldn't. that's how so

my best try was something about existence of Commonroom town neighborizer but that also seemingly leads nowhere

with role in mind, finding scum might be easier

fill slots in question with town neighbours/vanilla. that should help

[Fro99er]

VOTE: goodmorning

that push on Nos is ridiculous.

[Fro99er]

No, I'm Town, and Kop is probably Town too, and you should do some better hunting than that, especially if you actually are Mafia (which is even more strongly implied by your certainty on Wolves, like you've been Wolf-hunting, and uncertainty on Mafia, as though you haven't given a single scrap of effort).

No, my certainty on werewolves is that there's two left, and you and Kop make a great werewolf team of two. I can't see how Sky, Mah, or Lapsa would have a scumbuddy still alive. Mah is clearly on a different faction than Red, so he has to be town or mafia, not werewolf. I know sky isn't buddies with Kop or you if she somehow flipped scum, but I still think she's town. Lapsa is harder and I need to iso dig further to figure Lapsa out. I do think he's tried harder here than in Refraction, so I'm not sure if that's a scumtell of his or not.

But your case on me is crap, because it's very clear you and Kop can be a team of two, Mah is on a team of 1 or town, and Sky is on a team of 1 or town.

[Mahonster]

Ok this is starting to make me second guess myself.

I've actually haven't particularly enjoyed a lot of what gm has done this game.
I'll look into it, I'm ok with voting him for now.
VOTE: goodmorning

[Aeronaut]

vc 5.6

VoteCount 5.6

With 8 alive it's 5 to lynch!

Mod Notes:

Deadline is Thursday!

Skybird -

Kop -

Nosferatu -

Lapsa -

Mahonster -

Annadog40

(L-4)

Fro99er -

Annadog40 -

Goodmorning -

Fro99er, Mahonster

(L-3)

Not Voting

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Kop, Goodmorning, Lapsa, Skybird, Nosferatu

Food Queue -

roast beef with yorkshire pudding, Lutafisk, egg rolls, smoked salmon, coconut shrimp, whole lobster

Day 5 ends in (expired on 2015-09-17 15:40:32)

[Aeronaut]

Maybe it's a half win, Like they both get half the prize.

I'm going to say here that it would end in a

tie

if it turned out that neither party could win. What this means is that you can count it as half a win, half a loss, for those of you who keep track. Being someone who keeps track myself, this is how I like to do it if that scenario ever presents itself. For more information on this, look into my Wiki, and go to my W/L stats section, where I count Ika's Attack of the Neutrals, which ended in a technical tie as .5 win and .5 loss, and factor out any stats I need to factor that way. That's just an example, though.

[Annadog40]

Ok this is starting to make me second guess myself.

I've actually haven't particularly enjoyed a lot of what gm has done this game.
I'll look into it, I'm ok with voting him for now.
VOTE: goodmorning

Her*

[Lapsa]

ty, Aero

[goodmorning]

l o l

look at frogger ignoring direct questions to him

so adorbs

[Fro99er]

l o l

look at frogger ignoring direct questions to him

so adorbs

So please, enlighten me. Who are the two werewolf and who is mafia.

[Fro99er]

...you think I'd waste time rebutting your case my partner with a wagon on him I couldn't be certain I'd derail?

Oh, you mean this question?

Yes, and you successfully derailed the wagon on your buddy. Congrats.

[Fro99er]

l o l

look at frogger ignoring direct questions to him

so adorbs

This is also a pretty typical scum response. LOL, just going to laugh at frogger and point out he ignored a question instead of, you know, actually scumhunting.

For the record - I typically ignore questions. Just ask Lapsa how many times I ignored Shinobi before finally putting a case on him. I was town.

[Fro99er]

I just had a realization… I wish I wasn't driving

[goodmorning]

I've made it clear a ridiculous number of times in my past few posts who I think is Mafia. If you're asking me that then you haven't been paying attention. Unless you only put it there so I wouldn't accuse you of paying undue attention to the Wolves again, in which case I'm still right about you.
As for Wolves... I'm still interested in Mahon, Nos is an option, and so is Anna.

Kop isn't really a good pick for my partner. I went to check my recent Scum meta, and I tend to avoid Null-reading my partners for any significant length of time. Typically I put them at a townread of any degree or as a minor 'we can lynch him later' scumread. Kop's been a nullread of mine from the moment he hit my radar as existing (1612) to very very recently (3010).

So you should probably start casting me as Mafia if you still want to scumread me.

... wait. Is your whole case on me just associatives before flips?

brb dying

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Maybe we should lynch Aero?