NY 189 - Flower Viewing Festival [~fin~]

Fro99er · Post Post #3200 (ISO) » Sat Sep 19, 2015 3:01 am

In post 3196, Shazam wrote:But if he flipped scum and then you flipped town, and I was pushing your wagon for no good reason, wouldn't it be obvious to everyone that I was scum? That's not going to happen because I'm not scum, but if it did I would think you'd be happy to make that trade.

his flip isn't going to change my role PM. I'm town so if he flips town, you are my suspect and if he flips scum I'm still town. If you drive through my mislynch tomorrow after I get Bearbert lynched here, you're either scum or anti-town thinking I'm somehow scum who bussed my whole team if Fire's scumslip is right.

Bearbert D · Post Post #3201 (ISO) » Sat Sep 19, 2015 3:01 am

If this town doesn't lynch Shazam tomorrow, it deserves to lose the game right there and then

Fro99er · Post Post #3202 (ISO) » Sat Sep 19, 2015 3:02 am

In post 3201, Bearbert D wrote:If this town doesn't lynch Shazam tomorrow, it deserves to lose the game right there and then

If you flip town, I agree

Bearbert D · Post Post #3203 (ISO) » Sat Sep 19, 2015 3:02 am

In post 3202, Fro99er wrote:
In post 3201, Bearbert D wrote:If this town doesn't lynch Shazam tomorrow, it deserves to lose the game right there and then

If you flip town, I agree

Just vote now. There's still time. Common, how is he not obvscum to you?

Bearbert D · Post Post #3204 (ISO) » Sat Sep 19, 2015 3:05 am

In post 3196, Shazam wrote:
In post 3193, Fro99er wrote:If Bearbert flips town Shazam seems pretty sus knowing I'll be the next mislynch. L-1 knowing Ricastle will hammer knowing the next lynch is lined up...

I'll probably be the next lynch though if Bear flips town and we'll lose.

I wouldn't know you'd be the next mislynch. Even if I was scum I wouldn't know you'd be the next lynch. But you're also assuming I know you're a mislynch and then calling me suspect because of it. That's not a logical argument.

Secondly, I'm willing to say right now that yes, I would tend to think you were Bearbert's partner since he has been suspiciously unwilling to go with reason and get off my wagon. That has kept him off of yours. And your vote of him I have already called out as consistent with a bus. But if he flipped scum and then you flipped town, and I was pushing your wagon for no good reason, wouldn't it be obvious to everyone that I was scum? That's not going to happen because I'm not scum, but if it did I would think you'd be happy to make that trade.

Finally, why on earth would you get lynched next if Bear flipped town? I would be very much against your lynch if he flipped town.

Look at this. Look at the last sentence. It's absolutely complete bullshit designed to convince frogger. It's extremly obvious I'm not frogger's partner. I'd have bussed him looooong ago

Fro99er · Post Post #3205 (ISO) » Sat Sep 19, 2015 3:06 am

its pretty clear at this point one of Bear or Shaz is scum.

Bear could be doing this as survival but then Bear is the obvious lynch tomorrow if Shaz flips town. If Bear flips town Shaz is the obv lynch tomorrow in my mind. So yeah, we've got a 1 for 1 it feels like.

Bearbert D · Post Post #3206 (ISO) » Sat Sep 19, 2015 3:08 am

In post 3205, Fro99er wrote:its pretty clear at this point one of Bear or Shaz is scum.

Bear could be doing this as survival but then Bear is the obvious lynch tomorrow if Shaz flips town. If Bear flips town Shaz is the obv lynch tomorrow in my mind. So yeah, we've got a 1 for 1 it feels like.

Yeah it's obvious one of us is scum. Specifically him

Fro99er · Post Post #3207 (ISO) » Sat Sep 19, 2015 3:09 am

Hey man, if you go down as town, you have my word I'm vote parking on Shaz tomorrow.

At this point if I flip off you and Shaz flips town it'll be even more "evidence" that I'm your "buddy"

Ricastle · Post Post #3208 (ISO) » Sat Sep 19, 2015 4:08 am

VOTE: Bearbert

AxleGreaser · Post Post #3209 (ISO) » Sat Sep 19, 2015 4:31 am

In post 3205, Fro99er wrote:its pretty clear at this point one of Bear or Shaz is scum.

Why only one?
What would be their choice if they were both scum?

Bearbert D · Post Post #3210 (ISO) » Sat Sep 19, 2015 4:35 am

Umm, am I allowed to talk before flip?

Echo Echo · Post Post #3211 (ISO) » Sat Sep 19, 2015 4:44 am

Bearbert D · Post Post #3212 (ISO) » Sat Sep 19, 2015 4:53 am

Ok

Lynch Shazam please. He's scummity scum scum scum. Never seen a more obvious scum in my life. Speedlynch him tomorrow. Don't let him talk you out of it.

Spiffeh is a likely partner. Davsto too

Echo Echo · Post Post #3213 (ISO) » Sat Sep 19, 2015 4:54 am

Okay.

Echo Echo · Post Post #3214 (ISO) » Sat Sep 19, 2015 4:54 am

What are you flipping?

Shazam · Post Post #3215 (ISO) » Sat Sep 19, 2015 4:56 am

In post 3197, Fro99er wrote:There's no way Bear is my hypothetical scumbuddy dude. If he flips town, how does that make me town?

I read his flip to me being town from scum reading me earlier as scum motivated by him since he knew I would be under fire today and it would be a good way to get towncred by letting everyone else push through my mislynch.

Fro99er wrote:
In post 3196, Shazam wrote:But if he flipped scum and then you flipped town, and I was pushing your wagon for no good reason, wouldn't it be obvious to everyone that I was scum? That's not going to happen because I'm not scum, but if it did I would think you'd be happy to make that trade.

his flip isn't going to change my role PM. I'm town so if he flips town, you are my suspect and if he flips scum I'm still town. If you drive through my mislynch tomorrow after I get Bearbert lynched here, you're either scum or anti-town thinking I'm somehow scum who bussed my whole team if Fire's scumslip is right.

These posts show an inability to see things from my perspective. If he flips town, it makes you town because Bearbert was reluctant to vote you even to save himself. It would mean flipped town genuinely believed you were town. Secondly I believe him flipping scum increases your chance of being scum, so him flipping town must by necessity decrease your chance of being scum. It is obvious that his flip doesn't change your role PM. It just changes what I think your role PM is, since I don't know for sure.

Fro99er wrote:Hey man, if you go down as town, you have my word I'm vote parking on Shaz tomorrow.

At this point if I flip off you and Shaz flips town it'll be even more "evidence" that I'm your "buddy"

This changes my view a little though. It's not a very pro-town attitude to pre-determine your voting patterns. You would be justified in thinking I was more likely to be scum if I helped to lynch a townie. But saying you will vote park is never a good idea.

AxleGreaser · Post Post #3216 (ISO) » Sat Sep 19, 2015 4:58 am

In post 3187, Fro99er wrote:He never explained it in plain English until like the eighth time I asked

bullshit

Ricastle · Post Post #3217 (ISO) » Sat Sep 19, 2015 5:20 am

Almost everyone looks like a good bet for scum at this point...priority on Shazam, Echo & Spiffeh.

Bearbert D · Post Post #3218 (ISO) » Sat Sep 19, 2015 6:00 am

I'm town duh

Bearbert D · Post Post #3219 (ISO) » Sat Sep 19, 2015 6:01 am

In post 3215, Shazam wrote:
In post 3197, Fro99er wrote:There's no way Bear is my hypothetical scumbuddy dude. If he flips town, how does that make me town?

I read his flip to me being town from scum reading me earlier as scum motivated by him since he knew I would be under fire today and it would be a good way to get towncred by letting everyone else push through my mislynch.

Fro99er wrote:
In post 3196, Shazam wrote:But if he flipped scum and then you flipped town, and I was pushing your wagon for no good reason, wouldn't it be obvious to everyone that I was scum? That's not going to happen because I'm not scum, but if it did I would think you'd be happy to make that trade.

his flip isn't going to change my role PM. I'm town so if he flips town, you are my suspect and if he flips scum I'm still town. If you drive through my mislynch tomorrow after I get Bearbert lynched here, you're either scum or anti-town thinking I'm somehow scum who bussed my whole team if Fire's scumslip is right.

These posts show an inability to see things from my perspective. If he flips town, it makes you town because Bearbert was reluctant to vote you even to save himself. It would mean flipped town genuinely believed you were town. Secondly I believe him flipping scum increases your chance of being scum, so him flipping town must by necessity decrease your chance of being scum. It is obvious that his flip doesn't change your role PM. It just changes what I think your role PM is, since I don't know for sure.

Fro99er wrote:Hey man, if you go down as town, you have my word I'm vote parking on Shaz tomorrow.

At this point if I flip off you and Shaz flips town it'll be even more "evidence" that I'm your "buddy"

This changes my view a little though. It's not a very pro-town attitude to pre-determine your voting patterns. You would be justified in thinking I was more likely to be scum if I helped to lynch a townie. But saying you will vote park is never a good idea.

This still makes no sense. Especially point one is complete bullshit

Davsto · Post Post #3220 (ISO) » Sat Sep 19, 2015 6:30 am

Wait, Bear was actually town? Shit.

Expect a Shazam vote tomorrow, and with any luck because of timezones being for me (i.e. the night will take tomorrow, a Sunday) I should be able to get an ISO out for him.

Bearbert D · Post Post #3221 (ISO) » Sat Sep 19, 2015 6:43 am

In post 3220, Davsto wrote:Wait, Bear was actually town? Shit.

Expect a Shazam vote tomorrow, and with any luck because of timezones being for me (i.e. the night will take tomorrow, a Sunday) I should be able to get an ISO out for him.

Don't like this. You've got no reason to believee when I'm ssying I'm town(well, you do because I'm still posting but you should still have doubts). This makes me think you know I'm town

Spiffeh · Post Post #3222 (ISO) » Sat Sep 19, 2015 6:48 am

Yeah I regardless of this flip Dav is scum.

Bearbert D · Post Post #3223 (ISO) » Sat Sep 19, 2015 6:50 am

He'd be really town for saying that if I was scum. But I'm not

Davsto · Post Post #3224 (ISO) » Sat Sep 19, 2015 6:55 am

In post 3221, Bearbert D wrote:
In post 3220, Davsto wrote:Wait, Bear was actually town? Shit.

Expect a Shazam vote tomorrow, and with any luck because of timezones being for me (i.e. the night will take tomorrow, a Sunday) I should be able to get an ISO out for him.

Don't like this. You've got no reason to believee when I'm ssying I'm town(well, you do because I'm still posting but you should still have doubts). This makes me think you know I'm town

As far as I was concerned, you have no reason to lie after you've already been lynched. I mean, every single game I've played people haven't lied about it post-hammer.