Open 609: Pick Your Poison (Game Over)

[Shiro]

Mario was the last counterwagon to Silver which makes me doubt he is scum

Assuming at least one scum on Silver Alchemist might be it and PantherPunt might have been right all along.

My second guess is that assuming Mario is town cause last counterwagon one of max and performer is also scum. I assumed it would be Bella but evidently I was wrong since she was killed and flipped town.

As a side note my guess for kills

Mafia killed fire cause he was globally townread
Vig killed Bella cause he scumread her.

[PantherPunt]

Quick reread of Lizard is a pretty nice spew....sorry for your luck scum team.

Lizard spewed town:

Firebringer

, Ika, Vedith, Luna

And pretty sure spewed Alch scum. On top of my previous suspicions.
VOTE: Alchemist

all signs point to TTH/Diego being town, but not a lock. that slot should never survive to f3

also @vig - woah

[MarioManiac4]

It's pretty obvious Performer got his pants in a twist at Silver getting run up on d1.
Alchemist could be third scum but I honestly suspect ika at this point.

[PantherPunt]

Votecount 1.16

Silverjaws - 5 - Firebringer, Shiro, ika, Vedith, MarioManiac4
MarioManiac4 - 4 - Alchemist21, Bellaphant, Performer, MaxwellPuckett
Diego1487 - 2 - PantherPunt, Silverjaws

Not Voting: Luna Fox, Diego1487

Deadline: (expired on 2015-09-19 23:45:33)

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

This was a good one to look at. The next vote after this VC was Alch voting Silverjaws. Can't give any townpoints whatsoever for that, because it was prime bussing time for towncred.

Also, unless Silver/Mario were competing scum wagons, which I highly doubt, then Shiro, ika, Vedith are never scum imo.
Also thinking Alch moved because it would look bad if both of the other scum were on the counterwagon. And I'm thinking Performer is the other scum.

[Luna Fox]

Mafia killed fire cause he was globally townread

Hmm... guess i was the only one not townreading fire?

[Luna Fox]

Also im happy that i called it:

I'm seriously wondering if he's just stalling after the intent was raised.

[Vedith]

Right, that was a strange outcome.

Okay, so as it stands this is where I am going with.

Town
Mario
Shiro
Ika

Town Lean
Luna

Null
Panther
Diego

Scum lean
Maxwell

Scum
Alch
Performer

I'd like to see these both squirm today.

VOTE: Alch

[Luna Fox]

Scum
Alch
Performer

this is where im leaning too right now.

[Luna Fox]

Null
Panther
Diego

How do you have a null on Diego after silver's flip?

[Vedith]

Tell me exactly how Diego is cleared?
I don't like his position on the voting for Silver. And the vote on him means nothing in my opinion.

[Luna Fox]

Am I the only one that thinks that 521 doesn't look like a bus?

[Vedith]

Given, just read through the thing again and his first attack was straight to TTH.
I guess that Diego can move into the Town lean slot for that then, but I'm not reading him as town yet.

Luna, what's your opinion on Panther? Do you understand why he left his vote on Alch when he wouldn't be bussed?
Could be a distraction vote for late game?

[MarioManiac4]

Alchemist tomorrow.
Performer today.
I insist.

[Luna Fox]

Luna, what's your opinion on Panther? Do you understand why he left his vote on Alch when he wouldn't be bussed?
Could be a distraction vote for late game?

While Silver overexpanded on his reasoning for suspecting TTH, Panther seemed to have legit concerns across all of Day 1, if you think both Panther and Silver are in a team, you think Silver would be so obvious as to follow panther onto TTH instead of picking on other players? Unless you're suspecting that the scumteam specifically targeted TTH for a Day 1 mislynch in their Scum QT, this doesn't make any sense, from my PoV Silver saw that Panther was pushing TTH and decided to reinforce it to try and get that mislynch through.

Another thing bothering me is how easily Alchemist thought that silver was an alt.

[Vedith]

Or the Vig can PewPew Performer and if the game is still going we lynch Panth.

[Vedith]

Luna, what's your opinion on Panther? Do you understand why he left his vote on Alch when he wouldn't be bussed?
Could be a distraction vote for late game?

While Silver overexpanded on his reasoning for suspecting TTH, Panther seemed to have legit concerns across all of Day 1, if you think both Panther and Silver are in a team, you think Silver would be so obvious as to follow panther onto TTH instead of picking on other players? Unless you're suspecting that the scumteam specifically targeted TTH for a Day 1 mislynch in their Scum QT, this doesn't make any sense, from my PoV Silver saw that Panther was pushing TTH and decided to reinforce it to try and get that mislynch through.

Another thing bothering me is how easily Alchemist thought that silver was an alt.

The fact he just disappeared after the votes were on him and asked to claim tells me that he would do this.

[Luna Fox]

My opinion on Alch is that he seemed way too certain TTH was town, Panther's suspicion of Alch was well founded.
For today i want to lynch either Permormer or Alch, preferably Alch.

[Vedith]

I'm happy with lynching Alch as it stands (Obviously no rush, lets enjoy the day).

[Shiro]

I am OK with alchemist as well how many votes on him so far?

@Vedith Diego was the first counterwagon to Silver which is why I really doubt he is scum. Cleared? Well no but unlikely.

[Vedith]

These are the current votes

Alch (2) - Panth, Vedith
Performer (2) - Mario, Alch
Mario (1) - Performer

Hmmm, maybe they aren't scum together? No doubt there is most likely one scum in the two at least.

[Alchemist21]

Well at least someone has the sense to realize Performer and I aren't scum together,

Oh, and Luna, this setup doesn't give scum daychat. The only way scum could have conspired against TTH was in the pre-game, and there's absolutely no way I could have known Silver was an alt just by being scumbuddies with him if I were scum.

@Panther, why do you think Diego shouldn't survive past D3 even if all signs point to them being Town?

[Luna Fox]

Oh, and Luna, this setup doesn't give scum daychat. The only way scum could have conspired against TTH was in the pre-game, and there's absolutely no way I could have known Silver was an alt just by being scumbuddies with him if I were scum.

Oh... i guess.
I didn't realize about the day chat thing.

[Luna Fox]

Let's see im going to vote performer instead of alch and see how things roll.

Vote: Performer

[ika]

hi ppl whats going on

[Alchemist21]

Hey Ika. What are your reads?