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[Aj The Epic]

Yeah the vig part is only one part of my vote. More importantly, I want to out that soft-claim because it forces scum to choose if they believe it and then if they do (or it turns out to be true) it can leave them predictable. Also, I believe Verdith on the very next page tried breadcrumbing under the slightest amount of suspicion. There was no hint to what, just a suggestion that he might have a PR. My point is that it seemed we had people softclaiming on the barest amount of pressure. I also wouldn't mind scum cleaning one for us anyways :/

So essentially you're interested in a wicked lynch or a fa_q2 lynch at this point.

[catboi]

In general in my experience across hundreds of EM games, people who softclaim quickly under pressure tend to be town more often than not. I prefer not mentioning things in case scum are inattentive.

Those two are ones I'd be willing to vote right now, but saying that feels weird, I don't feel like my work is done for day 1 by any means and there are people I want to look into/see more from.

[Aj The Epic]

You don't get the point: Regardless of role they claim, I still wouldn't mind a NK wasted on them. While roles are useful, the game's won via what's written here.

I agree with wanting to see more people talk. I feel like I could use one more conf-town read and a better read on choof/banana before ending the day.

I currently have you and Luna as conf-town for all intents/purposes right now. I want to add Tallah to that list. I've been town reading him for a while but I think his progression on 515 warrants confirming that.

Interesting note to me is that both Verdith and Fa_Q2 show interest in the performer wagon. Fa_q2's vote and Verdith's 521. There may be a connection between these two worth being explored further.

[Luna Fox]

hundreds of

EM

games

There's your problem

[Luna Fox]

Also i had a headache today.
Tho i'll check on the latest posts and see if i see any more ppl i think are town.

[Aj The Epic]

>.> Yeah where do you claim to be from Luna?

[Luna Fox]

>.> Yeah where do you claim to be from Luna?

From as in world location?

[Aj The Epic]

Mafia site

[Luna Fox]

Mafia site

Oh I played a game called Town of Salem.
I've also played on EM before.

[Aj The Epic]

Never was a fan of Salem. Then again, I come from a site where we post(ed... we're all gone, I think ) walls and if you didn't, there was something wrong with you (weren't reading enough into the game).

[Luna Fox]

i pretty much came here because i kept finding the mafia wiki when looking for mafia stuff.

[catboi]

hundreds of

EM

games

There's your problem

I'm just saying I think it's a solid reference for people's behavior tendencies. I mean absolutely, someone can fake an early softclaim, but usually when someone does it they're inexperienced town getting flustered by pressure.

[BBmolla]

VOTECOUNT ONE POINT SEVEN

PERFORMER - 4 - TALAH, AJ THE EPIC, LUNA FOX, FA_Q2
VEEGEE - 2 - THEWORST, PERFORMER,
AJ THE EPIC - 1 - ZAKK,
BANANACUCHO - 1 - KYUBEY THE KID
THEWORST - 1 - CATBOI
ZAKK - 1 - VEDITH
VEDITH - 1 - BANANACUCHO,
CHOOF - 1 - I AM INNOCENT

NOT VOTING: VEEGEE, CHOOF,

DEADLINE: (expired on 2015-09-30 20:05:00)

WITH 14 ALIVE IT TAKES 8 TO LYNCH

REPLACING KYUBEY

[BananaCucho]

VOTE: TheWorst

[Performer]

432 – talah, you mentioned I wanted to put myself out there a bit so I read that as attention, in 302

433 – Aj my questions are nothing to do with anyone else. I had my reason to ask him. We were all just like Vee at some point in our lives, with someone disappointed in us (linkin park – numb) because we weren’t delivering enough. My questions were supposed to better figure out if he’s town or scum, and if he sounded town in the responses, then at least give him a chance to be heard

466 – thanks Vee for the replies… and that isn’t my claim. I used that move to see how much he cared, to find out his reaction. His reaction made me lean slight town on him . And I see he's been posting more, nothing brash, but patient posts from him. To a lesser extent, I wondered how this would get people talking and it did


Moving onto Zak... seeing as he’s been inactive, it shouldn’t come as a surprise that I’ve got FoS on him. 509…still delaying contribution to scumhunt or townhunt…until Mon or Tues?...fishy much?

Also, I'd like to hear from each person who wagoned me. For talah it made sense, but I'm not exactly understanding the other 3:

Luna, FA, Aj

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[Luna Fox]

but I'm not exactly understanding the other 3: Luna,

418 and 421

[zakk]

IAI seems pretty town, I liked the sound of that last post

[Luna Fox]

329 was already pretty townie.

[zakk]

Yeah I didn't read that one though

I'm just playing the game in bits as I go, as I can

[I Am Innocent]

Yeah that wall post I made last night is officially dead.

You asked me a rhetorical question and what I thought RVS was. I answered the latter.

And I've been engaging in discussion. Your point?

I didn't see you as engaging the first time thru, so I reread ur ISO up to post 94 and I still didn't see you engaging. Which of your posts up to that do you think you were engaging in?

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So what you're essentially saying is in his next post you'll be town reading him. If his post on IaI was all it took to swing him from a scum read to a town read, your read on him is flimsier than papyrus.

So is he your strongest scum read, since you are voting for him? Because I see more waffling than actual sincere belief that he's scum.

How strong are your reads usually by Post 153? I'm seeing alot of mudslinging here on someone whose play has felt very genuine.

Okay I can see how this second one sounds rhetorical. Not exactly sure an answer to that is going to help me anyway now.

What about the first question, I'd still like an answer to that. Also, what is your read on Choof?

[I Am Innocent]

checking in, weekend has been surprisingly busy
wont be able to start making posts again until tomorrow evening

Has come and gone. Please answer these in your next post.

No and I've not said that or implied that anywhere. As I said, I generally just wait for RVS to pass.

Newsflash, RVS is over.

vote AJ

this was probably where scum voted on AJ

VOTE: I Am Innocent

Why are you so sure AJ is town up to this vote?

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Choof, why do you spend so many pages reaction testing with one player (Banana) but casts votes pretty quickly with little to none of this reaction testing on two other players (me and Luna)?

Also, who are you scum reading at this point?

[Vedith]

Also, I believe Verdith on the very next page tried breadcrumbing under the slightest amount of suspicion.

I didn't breadcrumb at all. XD
I was stating a fact that I don't care who votes me, I'm like that in most games regardless of align.

Keep scratching the sides there, you might find something.

[Aj The Epic]

What about the first question, I'd still like an answer to that. Also, what is your read on Choof?

I guess I could answer the first one with a rhetorical question: How much do you expect people to be engaged by post 94? On that page before your vote, I had been actively trying to discussion with people. To that point, I spent a post explaining how I thought it was best to handle double scum team games and explaining why I didn't feel like moving my vote in RVS. But to imply I wasn't discussing at that point is not correct. Excluding a double post made for 60/61, I had about four posts in the span of 30 posts that were somewhat useful. The catboi vote happened around my 72, so from his vote to yours was only 22, in which I had 3 posts discussing why I wasn't interested in the RVS wagon.

My read on choof has gone cold. During his argument with Banana, I felt it was him being town and that banana was overreacting a tad. However, when the thread got too much shit from that, I let my read fall away a bit because it wasn't beneficial to the town for the posts to be that intrusive on the game.

Of the two I actually had choof as more town because they both ended up voting Luna. Choof was first, which meant that if Banana was suspicious of Choof, she should've been more guarded about it. 134 shows their position on Luna, which Choof scumreading and Banana having Luna for null. I still don't understand what exactly drove Banana to vote for Luna (it wasn't really explained in 197.

Since then, Choof's been more commentary than content and Banana got tied up in another rather pointless discussion over meta with verdith. I'm sitting choof specifically in null due to lack of read and Banana as someone I want to revisit more deeply in later days.

[BananaCucho]

Cool, so it's become very apparent that pretty much everything I post is being written off as useless and pointless. Choof and Vedith, you both succeeded in making sure nobody takes me seriously this game.

I'm a vote for whoever wants it but don't expect me to contribute much else from here on out.

[TheWorst]

I'm interested in hearing from Banana regarding her vote, since she has meta with me.

How did Catboi convince you? In fact, I'm more puzzled that you would let Catboi try to convince you since you yourself have meta on me, I'd expect you to at least make a decision for yourself based on how I played in that Mini.
You're the one who I expected to step up regarding the meta.
Not only that, you explicitly said you had a town read because of a specific post I had. What changed?

P-Edit: I've been in that position before, frustrating but you can't just give up just because people are trying to intentionally get you mad. In fact, Choof did it for a reaction.

May as well unvote since Veegee doesn't seem to care about the vote.
UNVOTE: Veegee