Twilight Zone Mafia - game over

[Peptobislawl]

I was turned off by Drixx's long, wordy posts that said very little, to nothing about the actual gamestate.

I disagree completely with with both the the assertions made in this sentence. His posts are of reasonable length, and other than freaking out at wake he's been trying to scumhunt and talking about how other players are behaving. As such I don't share your scumread on his slot.

[Xiao Xiao Buns]

Recapping is not scum hunting.

Trying to scumpaint a town v town isn't scumhunting.

So why do you think Drixx was?

[Peptobislawl]

Because he was adding thoughts and opinions to the recap, at least from what a flip through his ISO tells me. If you'd like to point to some suspicious posts he made please do so, but for now i didn't see any. It's not a strong townread by any means, but i don't see the scum in it.

Also, weren't you one of the combatants in that TvT? We know Domo is town now but that doesn't mean you weren't pushing for his head on D1.

[NicCage]

Alright I'm gonna pick up now and stop being useless

Tomorrow

[Elbirn]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: NicCage

[Nachomamma8]

Why isn't NicCage lynchbait?

[MonkeyMan576]

Just to keep the lurkers honest:

Xiao Xiao Buns Aug 29, 08:46pm Sep 21, 09:58pm 0 days 3 hours 291

DOMO Sep 02, 07:48am Sep 12, 06:00am 9 days 19 hours 192

Nachomamma8 Aug 29, 08:47pm Sep 22, 12:06am 0 days 1 hour 189

Spiffeh Aug 29, 08:56pm Sep 21, 09:36pm 0 days 3 hours 132

Antihero Sep 09, 06:41pm Sep 21, 08:57pm 0 days 4 hours 124

Ellibereth Aug 29, 08:58pm Sep 20, 09:46pm 1 day 3 hours 102

Klingoncelt Aug 29, 11:28pm Sep 12, 01:20am 9 days 23 hours 101

Peptobislawl Aug 29, 08:55pm Sep 21, 10:39pm 0 days 2 hours 84

BlueMoonRising Aug 30, 11:28am Sep 20, 10:19am 1 day 14 hours 81

Lizard_Buttock Aug 30, 04:20am Sep 20, 09:58am 1 day 15 hours 79

Wake88 Aug 29, 08:49pm Sep 21, 07:43pm 0 days 5 hours 71

Elbirn Aug 29, 09:21pm Sep 21, 11:54pm 0 days 1 hour 65

Rod Serling Aug 29, 02:36pm Sep 21, 07:04pm 0 days 6 hours 54

NicCage Aug 30, 08:31am Sep 21, 10:51pm 0 days 2 hours 49

Edgar Allan Pro Aug 30, 06:46pm Sep 21, 09:23pm 0 days 3 hours 47

Prolapsed Brain Aug 29, 10:07pm Sep 11, 10:15am 10 days 15 hours 46

Drixx Aug 29, 10:18pm Sep 17, 05:15pm 4 days 8 hours 43

wgeurts Aug 30, 02:52am Sep 09, 01:25pm 12 days 11 hours 36

Xtoxm Aug 31, 06:37am Sep 21, 05:51am 0 days 19 hours 29

hiplop Sep 08, 04:21pm Sep 21, 09:54am 0 days 15 hours 29

Edosurist Aug 30, 02:18am Sep 15, 05:22pm 6 days 7 hours 29

[BlueMoonRising]

Just to keep the lurkers honest:

Xiao Xiao Buns Aug 29, 08:46pm Sep 21, 09:58pm 0 days 3 hours 291

DOMO Sep 02, 07:48am Sep 12, 06:00am 9 days 19 hours 192

Nachomamma8 Aug 29, 08:47pm Sep 22, 12:06am 0 days 1 hour 189

Spiffeh Aug 29, 08:56pm Sep 21, 09:36pm 0 days 3 hours 132

Antihero Sep 09, 06:41pm Sep 21, 08:57pm 0 days 4 hours 124

Ellibereth Aug 29, 08:58pm Sep 20, 09:46pm 1 day 3 hours 102

Klingoncelt Aug 29, 11:28pm Sep 12, 01:20am 9 days 23 hours 101

Peptobislawl Aug 29, 08:55pm Sep 21, 10:39pm 0 days 2 hours 84

BlueMoonRising Aug 30, 11:28am Sep 20, 10:19am 1 day 14 hours 81

Lizard_Buttock Aug 30, 04:20am Sep 20, 09:58am 1 day 15 hours 79

Wake88 Aug 29, 08:49pm Sep 21, 07:43pm 0 days 5 hours 71

Elbirn Aug 29, 09:21pm Sep 21, 11:54pm 0 days 1 hour 65

Rod Serling Aug 29, 02:36pm Sep 21, 07:04pm 0 days 6 hours 54

NicCage Aug 30, 08:31am Sep 21, 10:51pm 0 days 2 hours 49

Edgar Allan Pro Aug 30, 06:46pm Sep 21, 09:23pm 0 days 3 hours 47

Prolapsed Brain Aug 29, 10:07pm Sep 11, 10:15am 10 days 15 hours 46

Drixx Aug 29, 10:18pm Sep 17, 05:15pm 4 days 8 hours 43

wgeurts Aug 30, 02:52am Sep 09, 01:25pm 12 days 11 hours 36

Xtoxm Aug 31, 06:37am Sep 21, 05:51am 0 days 19 hours 29

hiplop Sep 08, 04:21pm Sep 21, 09:54am 0 days 15 hours 29

Edosurist Aug 30, 02:18am Sep 15, 05:22pm 6 days 7 hours 29

Sorry alt post

[Skybird]

I've played a few games with Drixx and I didn't feel he was scum. I'd like to see what the replacement does with the slot first.

[Skybird]

XXB, you mentioned that Klingon crumbed a PR and that's why you thought she was NK'd. (post 1699) Can you point out where she crumbed because I don't see it.

[Nachomamma8]

Skybird, what do you think of Elbirn?

[massive]

Not sold on the elli wagon. Being 'useless,' which is pretty darned subjective, and having a 'guilty' in a Bastard game doesn't do much to really persuade me. In fact, what I do find suspicious is how you think someone being useless is grounds for being Scum and should be lynched.

What is pro-town about keeping him around? What is different from Ellibereth's play in this game (which you seemingly approve of enough to defend him, now TWICE) and Prolapsed Brain (who you are unimpressed by, see 1293)?

And while I'm in your ISO ...

Anyone here know why they were killed? Yeah. Let's start there.

You spent a few posts in the middle of D1 asking both XXB and KlingonCelt about a supposed mafia rolecop. Why didn't this become a natural follow-up D2?

And this ...

We also know that DOMO and Klingon were not on the PB wagon. Does anyone have any thoughts on this? Either at least one Scum drove this wagon, a lot of Townies fucked up, or both. It's too early to tell, but it needs to be said.

... is just doubletalk that says nothing. OBVIOUSLY the wagon was either town-driven or scum-driven. Why did it "need to be said"?

[massive]

Are the Drixx subs' posts making anyone else more confident in that slot being scum?

They seem very concerned with pushing the whole "I'm still reading" shtick. Seems paranoid to me frfr

That's pretty funny considering your back-to-back posts 1224 and 1254 are doing the exact same thing.

Trying to scumpaint a town v town isn't scumhunting.

Which town v town was Drixx scumpainting?

[Skybird]

Skybird, what do you think of Elbirn?

I'm not liking Elbirn. At first glance it looks like he's into the game because he's town reading a bunch of people. But the further you go in his ISO, you notice that he doesn't have any scum reads. He calls himself out for his "crap play" which I think is just a set-up for when someone comments on his play. ("Yeah, I already said I'm playing crappy.") I don't know if he is scum, but he should be watched.

[Nachomamma8]

You left me out in the cold yesterday

[Nachomamma8]

What do you think about his approach to "lynchbait" and how that's played out throughout the game? I can get more specific if you'd like me to but I think that's my major beef with him this game and it'd be nice to get your perspective on it to know if I'm being a crazy person or not.

[hiplop]

I think spiffeh is scum. She went after me for taking a while to catch up and is now calling out the other replacement who's catching up for being oaranojd.

Spiffeh seems eager to change the tides of what's happening (elli scum maybe?) And is quite clearly paranoid. If that slot is town I'll be shocked

[Wake1]

Not sold on the elli wagon. Being 'useless,' which is pretty darned subjective, and having a 'guilty' in a Bastard game doesn't do much to really persuade me. In fact, what I do find suspicious is how you think someone being useless is grounds for being Scum and should be lynched.

What is pro-town about keeping him around? What is different from Ellibereth's play in this game (which you seemingly approve of enough to defend him, now TWICE) and Prolapsed Brain (who you are unimpressed by, see 1293)?

And while I'm in your ISO ...

Anyone here know why they were killed? Yeah. Let's start there.

You spent a few posts in the middle of D1 asking both XXB and KlingonCelt about a supposed mafia rolecop. Why didn't this become a natural follow-up D2?

And this ...

We also know that DOMO and Klingon were not on the PB wagon. Does anyone have any thoughts on this? Either at least one Scum drove this wagon, a lot of Townies fucked up, or both. It's too early to tell, but it needs to be said.

... is just doubletalk that says nothing. OBVIOUSLY the wagon was either town-driven or scum-driven. Why did it "need to be said"?

If you're gonna talk, you had better keep my words in context. I told you that being 'useless' isn't grounds for being Scum and getting lynched. Don't you dare try to turn that around by asking 'oh, what's pro-Town about keeping him around?' That's not the fucking point. All I care about is finding Scum, so when anyone bullshits about how someone should be lynched because they're useless, it tells me they're being lynched for being useless, instead of the lynch having any fucking basis on alignment. Who the hell ever said uselessness has any bearing on alignment?

I don't know about you, but when I look for Scum, I look for things that are actually indicative of alignment. So what if Elli's useless? IS HE SCUM? Does that make him Scum?

Yes

or

No

. That's the issue. During Day 1, when we've got NOTHING, I'm not against a utility lynch. However, now that we've got flips, lynching someone for being useless, or mean, or chatty just doesn't cut it.

Maybe you haven't noticed, but I've been sick and busy as heck to boot. Farside can vouch for that. As I start feeling better, I'll start getting back into the game as I fucking want to, so how about you mind your own business and let people play the game at their own paces? Yeah, how's that?

For someone who bitches about someone else's play, you don't seem to have any problem being dense when it comes to analyzing the flips and the wagons. None of the flipped Townies were on the PB wagon! If we're looking at 3:3, or 4, or 4:1 [sans Vig], my guess is that there's got to be at least two Scum on that wagon.

[Peptobislawl]

Something about how angry that was rubs me the wrong way... but you're right that mas sive devorsed cotext from your quotes. Add in my scumlean on massive and I'm more willing to write it off as just dislikeing your style than any scummyness.

Speaking of scumleans, I did have spiffeh as one, but the fact that the alformentioned massive and Hiplop, one of my major scumreads jumped on him at once makes me conserned. I'll have to look over his ISO again.

[hiplop]

1. im obvtown
2. My reasons are completely independent from yours so thats not a jump. also i didnt vote.

it was an AWFUL post. dont be so arrogant to assume you hve the entire scumteam mapped out and therefore cant fucking trust anything i say

spiffeh is caught making mountains outta molehills. and if it werent for the guilty on elli, i'd be voting there

[Wake1]

Looking at the ISO, KC said she thought Elli was Scum, and that Nacho might be too, but on a different team. She and XXB did get entangled during Day 1. He was critical of her. I've got him as a Town-read though; I don't think he's Scum. KC did vote for XXB. She was killed, and flipped Town. I suspect the main reason she was killed, based on exchanges with XXB, was to try and make XXB look less Town. Though she said he was clearly Scum, and she flipped Town, that doesn't mean she's correct, and it doesn't mean Scum can't try to use that to weaken a strong Town voice. Her 936 and onward definitely makes me think someone's trying to frame XXB. Smells fishy. She was sure of DOMO's alignment, too, but he also flipped Town.

To sum it up, I propose that KC's murder was a ploy to cast shade on XXB. In 1415 she's got three Scumspects: XXB [which I think is being set up], DOMO [died anf flipped Town], and hiplop [don't know hiplop].

DOMO's harder to ISO, because he's got 190 posts. Scrolling through his ISO he was asking a lot of questions and challenging people's stances. Starting at 1018 he's pushing KC-Scum. Take 1057. Yet again, in 1200.

I've got a theory.

Let's assume for a sec it's multiball.

I think KC was killed to make XXB look bad, b/c XXB focused on KC. What if DOMO was killed by another Scum faction to make KC look bad, b/c those two were going at it hard as well?

This thought in mind, I just now looked at this post.

haha xiao thinks I'm scum with klingon, while klingon thinks I'm scum with xiao.

One of these fuckers actually believes that! The other one is probably scum.

I also don't believe XXB is Scum. I think these kills were meant to cast shade. Who here feels even the slightest that either of these two kills come from a Town-Vig state of mind? If you don't, as I don't, I think the idea that this is multiball has just a little more weight than before. I want to hear some feedback on this please.

[hiplop]

honestly I wouldnt be surprised if klingon was a vig kill

[Xtoxm]

Wake when was the last time you were scum and why do think scum make kills,

especially

N1 kills, to 'make people look bad'?. You leave people alive if they're being widely scumread.

I doubt Domo was a vig, but i'd not be at all surprised if KC was vigged.

[hiplop]

yea scum framing is a bad strategy because town never pushes someone for it

[Nachomamma8]

YOOOOOOOOOO
hiplop