NY 189 - Flower Viewing Festival [~fin~]

[AxleGreaser]

Wait a second, DGB, since when do you do VCA?

err wat

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Scumputer

[Sakura Hana]

Huh interesting, i've had 3 games where DGB replaced in (on one i was already dead), and i didn't see her use VCA, nevermind then.

[DrippingGoofball]

If Sakura hana is scum. What would make you think she told any part of the truth about her role? especially the tracker part?

All the town roles are distributed rather thinly. This JOAT is a bit thicker. I am very concerned with the combination of at least 2 powers (not used on days 1 & 2) and a passive 1-shot BP. That reeks of scum role.

[DrippingGoofball]

And so you are speculating there is an apriori assumption of 50% scum on that wagon?

Don't look at one wagon. Look at all of them. Sakura Hana is really scummy.

This scumteam is very aggressive against townies and does not bus. They are very controlled. That's why I think faking a guilty on one of them with the objective of making one player invincible would work for such a team.

[DrippingGoofball]

But as scum really might feel compelled to kill her and solve that for us.

They haven't! Why would they? Especially if SH is scum. They'll never kill her.

[DrippingGoofball]

That wagon has counter wagon on scum, you have looked at your own PM, so it looks to me like you ought be weighting Echo echo pretty heavily as scum for that vote.

Indeed I find EchoEcho to be another great scum candidate.

Thanks for your input on the scumputer, BTW, I wish people did that all the time.

[DrippingGoofball]

and how did you reach that conclusion?

Your behavior today.

[DrippingGoofball]

Huh interesting, i've had 3 games where DGB replaced in (on one i was already dead), and i didn't see her use VCA, nevermind then.

LOL I invented it!

[Sakura Hana]

This scumteam is very aggressive against townies and does not bus.

huh, what do you mean by this, and if this is what you believe then why am i your major candidate when i've been on 2 scum lynches (one of them pushed by my guilty when they were being treated as VI)

[Sakura Hana]

I understand if you think i pulled some major busing shenanigans, but if you say "this scumteam does not bus" then that doesn't make sense.

[Sakura Hana]

Huh interesting, i've had 3 games where DGB replaced in (on one i was already dead), and i didn't see her use VCA, nevermind then.

LOL I invented it!

Looking at the wiki page is something similar to the VCAs i tend to run (I always assume at least 1 scum bus'd and I always assume at least 2 scum unless max ammount of scum is 2 on a town lynch and at most scumteam-1)
Also i knew i had heard the term scumputer somewhere: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p6406441

[Sakura Hana]

So
1) Why should i trust your VCA, when according to your VCA im the most likely scum candidate and I know i'm town.
2) Assume i'm town how does said VCA look
3) There's 2 scum left (i highly doubt there's a 3 person scumteam here) and we have no mislynches left unless scum shoots me (which they likely wont now), we can't afford to be wrong.
4) Why should i trust that you're town.

[Echo Echo]

Hey, I'm back. Sorry about that, been really busy lately.

God damn it ika, my voting you was part of the gambit. Thank you for trusting me though. You shouldn't have outed yourself. I guess we should communicate better.


It appears that my VCA method fucking sucks. That's unfortunate.

I trust DGB's VCA though.

VOTE: Sakura Hana

[Echo Echo]

@ DGB: question, didn't your scumputer had the top scorers and bottom scorers as scum? While the middle block was towniest. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[Spiffeh]

Echo who do you think the remaining scum is (the one that's not Sakura)?

Posting something substantial rn

[Echo Echo]

I was personally quite disappointed that Davsto flipped town. Although I had meta evidence to suggest that he was town, I ignored it because objectively his stances in his game were rather scummy.

The problem with my VCA was that I assumed Sakura was town, instead of deleting all assumptions. That's what I realised.

Fuck.

[pieguyn]

votecount 7.1

Sakura Hana (1) - Echo Echo

Not voting (5) - Sakura Hana, AxleGreaser, Spiffeh, Shazam, DrippingGoofball

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Deadline is October 3, 10:00 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-10-03 10:00:00).

[DrippingGoofball]

So
1) Why should i trust your VCA, when according to your VCA im the most likely scum candidate and I know i'm town.
2) Assume i'm town how does said VCA look
3) There's 2 scum left (i highly doubt there's a 3 person scumteam here) and we have no mislynches left unless scum shoots me (which they likely wont now), we can't afford to be wrong.
4) Why should i trust that you're town.

The YOU look at it. What do YOU see?

[AxleGreaser]

@Echo Echo
From my reading
DGB also qualitatively scores people who look like they are hiding from it.
I have not checked as his methodology varies considerably.

On this occasion for instance he didnt find out Shiro was dead flipped towny....

DGB scumputering.
It does not look to me like a VCA done with the due diligence of someone trying to work stuff out.
Given that the stuff he left out of his own algorithm is essential to the algorithm, also does not sit well.

That the stuff left out biases, the algorithm towards finding anyone who votes on lot of wagons scummy (AKA Sakura) is also not cool

That he failed to notice Shiro was flipped towny, also does not speak of due diligence and working stuff out.

ALIVE
Sakura Hana
AxleGreaser
Spiffeh
Shazam
DrippingGoofball
Echo Echo

I don't see a missing kill. I have a hard time believing that you have a passive BP mixed in with two active abilities. Claim all your targets now. It's Day 7. You have 6 nights to account for.

From most suspicious to least
9 Sakura Hana
8 + bus'ed by Firebringer Spiffeh
5 Echo
5 Shazam

4 Shiro

4 Axle

[Echo Echo]

DGB, could you help me by critiquing my mistakes in my previous VCA attempts? I realize that if Sakura is indeed scum, then the fundamental assumption that I used in my VCA was wrong.

[Sakura Hana]

So
1) Why should i trust your VCA, when according to your VCA im the most likely scum candidate and I know i'm town.
2) Assume i'm town how does said VCA look
3) There's 2 scum left (i highly doubt there's a 3 person scumteam here) and we have no mislynches left unless scum shoots me (which they likely wont now), we can't afford to be wrong.
4) Why should i trust that you're town.

The YOU look at it. What do YOU see?

I don't know how i'm supposed to know.

[Echo Echo]

DGB, Axle is right. You forgot to color Shiro in. It appears that you're going to have to rerun the VCA.

[Sakura Hana]

Wait what are you even asking u.u

[Sakura Hana]

I would like to go back to my previous sugestion of no lynching...

[Echo Echo]

I'm just excited to see a respected VCA user coming in to sort out my mistakes in my previous attempts.