Open 610: Kill all Townies (Mafia Win)

[Maxous]

nobody claims and we're not no-lynching

[Maxous]

the wagon surrounding sinsun is honestly a lot of noise that I can't really get much of a read out of so i'm gonna have to defer on it for now.

[Vedith]

cus it was discussed last game where i was outed seer on day 1 in rvs

so i was asking should we do it or not. not about the idea itself

Yeah then we rely on scum not being scummy and going ahead with the plan. It was worth a shot trying to out the Seer I guess though.

[davesaz]

so im being ignored.....

good to know. it mean that people dont care for my opinions

What's being ignored?

[Lalendra]

Vettrock's probably the SK.

I might be missing something, but I clicked on the link provided by the mod to the Wiki article explaining the "Kill all Townies" setup, and there is no SK mentioned - 3 mafia, 3 WW, 3 town PR and 6 VT. Where are you getting the idea that there is an SK? And perhaps more importantly, why do you suspect Vettrock?

So, I really don't like the fact that

neither

of these two realize that Vettrock

is

the mod.

oh ffs

[Sinsun1]

Vettrock's probably the SK.

I might be missing something, but I clicked on the link provided by the mod to the Wiki article explaining the "Kill all Townies" setup, and there is no SK mentioned - 3 mafia, 3 WW, 3 town PR and 6 VT. Where are you getting the idea that there is an SK? And perhaps more importantly, why do you suspect Vettrock?

So, I really don't like the fact that

neither

of these two realize that Vettrock

is

the mod.

oh ffs

That moment when you realized you done goofed and no one else needs to rub it in.

[Alma Mater]

vote: Dave

[Lalendra]

If we lynch:

We have a 3/5 (60%) chance of hitting a town player. Regardless of reads.

What in the blue hell are you talking about? "Regardless of reads"? So you're saying that our reads mean nothing at all, and that it's purely random and mathematical that we have a given chance of hitting scum, regardless of the other relevant information that's going on in the thread? Why not just avoid the thread altogether and pick a name out of a hat to vote on? I don't even know why I'm so mad at this post but good lord.

@IS can you say what you meant there again? You are not ignored because of the content,

you are ignored because of the grammar

(no really, even when i try to interpret it it doesnt makes much sense, so it would be fine if you could elaborate.)

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

considering this is normal grammer for me when i play games here and i get loads of people who talk to me

its more the playerbase here is newish to me

I agree with Dongempire, it is hard to read. That being said, scum!ika never talks this much, and it's making him look really towny, but I have also been in a couple of games where people mentioned this about his meta and therefore it could be that he is aware of it and manipulating it to gain town-cred.

Are we not blind? Today it's based solely on comments, reactions and wagons. Nothing more, nothing less. We are making a blind judgement based on our personal thoughts, feelings and experiences.

Again, the "reads are useless" argument.

For instance, let's freeze the game here and now, let's pretend we're all knowing and the people everyone is voting for right now is going to die. Well, based on that, with my own knowledge and if everyone could know, 3-4 people voting me would already be mislynching. (However we are not onniscient, so we cannot all know that).

GUYS LOOK AT ME I'M TOWN I SAID THAT VOTING ME WOULD BE A MISLYNCH SO I MUST BE TOWN

You and others believe no-lynching to be anti-town. I believe it to be pro-town (in certain situations).

In what situation? What about this particular situation makes it an acceptable option? Are you saying that in EVERY multiball you should no-lynch D1? Or only in the 3v3v9 setups? Or only when you happen to be the leading wagon D1?

VOTE: Sinsun1

[vettrock]

Official Vote Count

Sinsun1

(4): wgeurts, FireKari, Ricastle, Lalendra

ShadedMelee

(3): Sinsun1, Maxous, shaddowez

wgeurts

(2): ShadedMelee, revalista

Vedith

(1): CityElectric

Idiot Savant

(1): Vedith

davesaz

(1): Alma Mater

Alma Mater

(1): Idiot Savant

Ricastle

(1): davesaz

revalista

(1): Dongempire

Not Voting

(0):

None.

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2015-10-13 23:29:09)

[shaddowez]

I'm going to be joining dongempire on revalista. Comes into the thread with crappy posting and reasons, ignores my question (and others I believe) about his vote, then says he's just bandwagoning and not doing anything. That's anti-town, and while I see the case on Sin I feel this slot needs more pressure.

VOTE: revalista

[Sinsun1]

*Facepalm* Why do I even bother trying to do logic with people. It's like a religious debate. Everyone picks a side they believe in and decide they're right, everyone else is wrong. Not even being open to facts that stare them down in contradiction of their own beliefs.

I wont even bother defending myself, there's no need to when those that oppose me are simply strawmanning things I say to make them something they are not. I'll just let my flip be the evidence of what I'm saying.

P.S. Just because you play mafia one way, does not make people scum because they play it another way with different tactics and views on what counts as an advantage for town.

[Alma Mater]

Nobodies trying to say its always anti-town to no lynch or suggest it. What at least I am trying to say is that its fairly anti-town from both a statistical and practical perspective to suggest on Day 1 of multiball.

Why are you turning this into a thing? Its bad to suggest it. Its a bad move. Its not scummy until you make it the focal point of the game.

[Alma Mater]

Let start with basics. What are your reads thus far?

[Sinsun1]

I wasn't trying to make it into a thing, but the second it comes up, people make it into a thing.

Let start with basics. What are your reads thus far?

Town Lean

wgeurts
Vedith
davesaz
Dongempire

Neutral

Idiot Savant
Maxous (Although Jeanne replacing out is starting to build a meta)
shaddowez
Alma Mater
FireKari
CityElectric
Lalendra
Ricastle

(Note: More than likely one of IS/Fire is mafia/WW while the other is town, call it a strong hunch).

Scum Lean

ShadedMelee
revalista

[davesaz]

I agree with Dongempire, it is hard to read. That being said, scum!ika never talks this much, and it's making him look really towny, but I have also been in a couple of games where people mentioned this about his meta and therefore it could be that he is aware of it and manipulating it to gain town-cred.

Ah, someone else who knows what I was talking about. I remember games where ika was chattier early in the game, but unfortunately can't remember what his alignment was. Easy enough to look up later if it's still a question.

[davesaz]

Votes on Sinsun1: wgeurts, FireKari, Ricastle, Lalendra
Sinsun's reads on them respectively: town lean, null, null, null
This set of reads on his voters feels town to me.

Bringing up a controversial strategy also feels town. I want to look closely at anyone who questioned him on the theory, called it scummy, but didn't vote it. That pattern of behavior gives scum the opportunity to jump on the bandwagon if it picks up steam while not appearing to be simply bandwagoning, while also being able to target the early voters later.

Town leans: wgeurts, Sinsun1. Everyone else null at this point, which is not surprising given how little time I've been able to put into really reading it.

[davesaz]

kool. Its all slang yo me , but I can dig the numerical expression.

dave should get back to answering questions about his play.

even had the gall to question my response to it but avoid it.

I answered 54 in 62. Wanted to follow up, was there something about my answer which wasn't clear?

[davesaz]

That lets me put Alma Mater in the town lean pile btw.

[wgeurts]

Dave, he refuses to defend himself. I've stated this in every post that if he actually provides a reasonable defence that I'd drop the push (if I saw him as town) and move on. Insteas he refuses to defend himself whatsoever.
Also revalista is someone we should watch and not vote yet, he's a newb I recon so his play may be contraversial. His voting pattern shouls give him away later, or just a general continuation of his current play.

[wgeurts]

Darn typos making "d"s "s"s.

[shaddowez]

Standard weekend V/LA, though I should be on a little more than usual this weekend

[Professor Bozo]

cus it was discussed last game where i was outed seer on day 1 in rvs

so i was asking should we do it or not. not about the idea itself

Yeah then we rely on scum not being scummy and going ahead with the plan. It was worth a shot trying to out the Seer I guess though.

what about the cop?

so im being ignored.....

good to know. it mean that people dont care for my opinions

What's being ignored?

me and my idea for later. nobody seems to care about the last game and how it went down

*Facepalm* Why do I even bother trying to do logic with people. It's like a religious debate. Everyone picks a side they believe in and decide they're right, everyone else is wrong. Not even being open to facts that stare them down in contradiction of their own beliefs.

I wont even bother defending myself, there's no need to when those that oppose me are simply strawmanning things I say to make them something they are not. I'll just let my flip be the evidence of what I'm saying.

P.S. Just because you play mafia one way, does not make people scum because they play it another way with different tactics and views on what counts as an advantage for town.

You should realize by now that most people here dont care too much for logic or theory. They care more on random banter shit. If you want to talk logic then bring that to MD

I agree with Dongempire, it is hard to read. That being said, scum!ika never talks this much, and it's making him look really towny, but I have also been in a couple of games where people mentioned this about his meta and therefore it could be that he is aware of it and manipulating it to gain town-cred.

Ah, someone else who knows what I was talking about. I remember games where ika was chattier early in the game, but unfortunately can't remember what his alignment was. Easy enough to look up later if it's still a question.

5 bucks i get shot n1 cus im ob town by my meta right now

Dave, he refuses to defend himself. I've stated this in every post that if he actually provides a reasonable defence that I'd drop the push (if I saw him as town) and move on. Insteas he refuses to defend himself whatsoever.
Also revalista is someone we should watch and not vote yet, he's a newb I recon so his play may be contraversial. His voting pattern shouls give him away later, or just a general continuation of his current play.

wgerts how long are you going to be derpy?

also small scum lena on landera for sk hunting in a obvious open setup

[Lalendra]

also small scum lena on landera for sk hunting in a obvious open setup

I assume you mean me, but at what point was I "SK hunting"?

[Vedith]

Town Lean

wgeurts

Vedith

davesaz
Dongempire

Wait... What? How on earth did you get this read?

[Vedith]

Also revalista is someone we should watch and not vote yet, he's a newb I recon so his play may be contraversial.

Yeah 101 would suggest this as well. New or not, comments like this is not what you want to draw the attention to you.