NY 190: Molla's Large Normal

[Luna Fox]

All I remember from IaI is him coming to hard defend performer, there were also a couple of posts i liked and made me think he was town.

[Salamence20]

Can someone give me a list of whos claimed

Day 1 choof claimed Friendly Neighbor, that slot is now Skybird. There's also a really awkward play by Performer that people seem to think it's a soft claim.
Night 1 No one died.
Day 2 we have AJ claiming that TheWorst sent him friendly neighbor message and claiming to be a 2-shot BP doctor that protected me.

Ooooooh counterclaiming FN's? What the fuck for?

[Salamence20]

No. Titus is very likely town.

Why?

I almost want to reignite the FA wagon and let the Nighbors and Doc figure it out themselves.

[Aj The Epic]

I don't like Titus' play but Catboi was very town. To me, it also seems that it would be impossible to move the town driven wagon off performer by scum as most scum would just guess it to result in their death.

[Salamence20]

Actually yeah, Im doing it. A quick look at that iso, the defending of Zakk, and the way he tried to push Performer into a lynch is good enough for me.

Also, counterwagon of Zakk.

VOTE: FA

[TheWorst]

You're an unlimited friendly neighbour, who has no problem with there being ANOTHER one of you AND a town bulletproof doctor?

No way. No way at all. TheWorst and AJ are scum together.

Yeah this guys got it! Channel can be town for me!

Worst not having an issue with it is more icing on the cake.

Idc about shoddy setup speculation (SSS), esp. in a game BBmolla mods who I've known for literally years, on MafiaScum, EpicMafia, and IRC Mafia.
I can easily imagine him making an experimental crazy game like this one seems to be, cause that's what he does.

Plus, I found choof to be town before he left the game, due to the whole reaction test with Banana. The claim was shocking since it was the same as my role and was early in the day, which got me curious. So I questioned Skybird about her opinion on the claim, which CDB found scummy ironically.

Pairing me with AJ is laughable though. I have no clue what AJ is for certain, can't confirm him, and it irks me already that he outed me immediately.

[Aj The Epic]

Out of the 3 scum reads I have, FA_Q is the one I think flips town at the highest rate simply because my entire read is off a possible slip and his reactions, plus the fact he rarely responds to anything not on him.

[Salamence20]

Why zakk?

That is a no information lynch. There is zero from his interactions to tell us who his partners might be if he flips scum and if he flips town there is nothing as well.

With performer, even a town flip gives us some info on Titus. I can go for Vegee but that is essentially a policy lynch.

EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

[Salamence20]

Aj do you think there are two scum teams

I do

What leads you to believe this?

Now that Zakk flipped town this bugs me too.

[Aj The Epic]

VOTE: Fa_q2

But really, I don't think any point against the zakk lynch is bad. That lynch was telegraphed town.

[Salamence20]

1. If you think so, why are you voting with me, kinda contradicting with you thinking hes gonna flip town?
2. If Zakk was flipping town, scum probably stayed off to save themselves if they share your thought process of thinking Zakk was obvtown

[Aj The Epic]

I said he is the most likely of my scum reads (3) to flip town. I still think he's scum.

And I doubt scum stayed completely clear of that wagon.

[Salamence20]

Not completely, but maybe 1, 2 if multiball.

Also your logic is fucking 10/10 buddy

[VeeGee]

Why not vote one of your OTHER scumreads, then?

[Aj The Epic]

Not completely, but maybe 1, 2 if multiball.

Also your logic is fucking 10/10 buddy

Would you expect anything less?

Also I doubt multi. I've already given my argument for that but iirc docs in multi generally only can protect from one faction (Like seers/cops, doc existing vs archangel/sorcerer and the only one faction pm in mod post).

[Salamence20]

Um yeah, if theres two factions its probably mafia A and Mafia B.

BP doctor only exists with 2 factions or a strongman

[FA_Q2]

I must be missing the obvious then. Do enlighten me.

As I said Yesterday, Performer's play was such a clear and deliberate deviation from his normal style of speaking, with all of the lyrics and so on, that there was no way that he was scum. I've played with him as scum recently - he was nervous and noncommittal. His posts in this game are clearly those of someone who is trying to put themselves out there and Do A Thing, and I fully believe that he would only do that if inspired by a town PM.

PEDIT: Didn't mean you, Sala

What do you think he was trying to do then?

I still do not see the performer is so town reasoning.

[ChannelDelibird]

I think that he was trying to do exactly what he says that he was trying to do - try to make it look like he had a cool role to draw the nightkill. I'm not saying that he did it well but it's really obvious that something like that was happening.

[FA_Q2]

Good morning from Cali, everyone...
welcome, Salamence

I was hoping to post after the n1 ended (Friday night, since I had plenty of time yesterday) but BB had a show, it got late, I went to sleep, and now I'm reading some incredibly interesting updates...

Confession - my "awkward play" in d1, particularly the post toward Vee - done as a gambit attempt, to draw an

nk against me

This is why I wanted to draw so much attention on d1..
Obviously no one died, which makes me scratch my head....
I don't have enough time at the moment to follow-up on everything, as I have to head off to work in a bit

If I continue my playstyle this game, I see it'll most likely hinder town's chance of winning, so

I will quit my paranoid & musical playstyle for this game, as of d2

And I will just be myself , since the situation has grown complex

I will catch up when I get back home
Thank you everyone

I note that you failed to state why you were so bent on pulling the NK. I also don't understand how you thought your actions would actually draw the NK - you were clearly a lynch candidate and it would have been dumb for scum to have targeted you IMHO.

What are your reads from yesterday as well then now that you are going to be 'yourself.'

[FA_Q2]

I think that he was trying to do exactly what he says that he was trying to do - try to make it look like he had a cool role to draw the nightkill. I'm not saying that he did it well but it's really obvious that something like that was happening.

Perhaps to you - not so much to me.

[FA_Q2]

I agree that such an OP role must have a scum counter (Strongman in this case)

That does make me wonder... if scum have a strongman, why did nobody die?

As I understand it, strongmen are usally X-shot.

That would make sense.

[FA_Q2]

Seriously someone here is a JK, and a BPBG.

Really?

And what amazing roles do you see scum having to counter this setup. That seems awfully powerful as well as the fact that we have 2 confirmed townies.

[FA_Q2]

No, it's pretty obvious. What scum team WOULDN'T go straight for luna unless they suspected the doc protect.

More concerning is that you're not thinking that through.

Why would they go for luna is a better q.

I read talah as a much stronger town read than luna and we had at least one that was town-confirming.

I mean, I know Luna's alignment. Anyone who's town knows her alignment.

Unless you are scum then you do not.
Such a statement is scummy as hell. You assume that you know where the scum NK went. Only scum know where it went.


AJ is still a bad vote for day 2 though. If he is scum we can deal with that day 3 but I highly doubt that scum does not have a strongman with this particular claim in play. It also bothers me that AJ didn't even seem to think about a RB to completely short circuit his role and essentially throws it away. I don't really see a town motivation for this action but we will find out tomorrow though.

[ChannelDelibird]

I note that you failed to state why you were so bent on pulling the NK. I also don't understand how you thought your actions would actually draw the NK

The reason is implicit, duh. Somebody has to be targeted for kills at Night. Better somebody who

doesn't

have a cool role.

And it's obvious why Performer might think that his actions (in a perfect world in which he executed them properly) would draw a nightkill because people were literally speculating about him being a power role in the thread. So congratulations, you know exactly why he did what he did, just that he did it with not nearly enough subtlety. Given what I've seen of Performer so far on the site, I find it much easier to chalk that up to raw inexperience than a calculated effort to deliberately try to fake a townslip.

you were clearly a lynch candidate and it would have been dumb for scum to have targeted you IMHO.

Attacking the results rather than evaluating the original intention <<<<<<<

[BBmolla]

Molla is this Balanced or just normal?

both