Mini 1722: Warcraft III - Reign of MAFIA (DOOM HAS COME)

[shos]

PAGETOP VC 1.1

"Things..are starting to get a little wierd." - Jaina Proudmoore

vezokpiraka (2) - BRantz, ShadedMelee
BRantz (1) - Shinobi
Firebringer (1) - Vedith
Albert B. Rampage (2) - shaddowez, Netherspite
Shiro (3) - inte, FA_Q2, Albert B. Rampage
inte (1) - Firebringer
ShadedMelee (1) - Shiro

*Votes and wagons are ordered in CHRONOLOGICAL order.

Not voting:

Gale Wing Srock, vezokpiraka

Notice:
1. BRantz is V/LA until tomorrow, so his prod is revoked.
2. ShadedMelee is still being sought replacement for.
3. shaddowez has been prodded.

DEADLINE IS IN (expired on 2015-10-14 02:11:11)

[Shiro]

So many prods so early.

How is the replacement search going?

[Shinobi]

This game is boring.

[Shinobi]

Shiro is giving me mixed feelings.

vote shiro

Let's see how this goes.

Why?

I didn't understand it, can someone explain to me what happened in basic mafia terms?

What needs explaining exactly?

[vezokpiraka]

Was that a third party claim day 1?

Yeah we're lynching this right now.

[Shiro]

Was that a third party claim day 1?

Yeah we're lynching this right now.

No no it wasn't. I am allied with burning Legion just with delayed Victory condition. I am pretty sure I explained it well.

[Shiro]

Was that a third party claim day 1?

Yeah we're lynching this right now.

Like what part of it seemed third party to you?

[Shinobi]

Vezok I still don't even know why you're voting Shiro.

[Vedith]

Vezok I still don't even know why you're voting Shiro.

Because he's scum and Shiro is an easy cop out.
Shiro is town for me. And pushing for that 'slip' is what's scummy.

UNVOTE: FB
VOTE: vezokpiraka

[Netherspite]

Brains! I sense fresh human brains!

VOTE: vezokpiraka

[vezokpiraka]

Was that a third party claim day 1?

Yeah we're lynching this right now.

No no it wasn't. I am allied with burning Legion just with delayed Victory condition. I am pretty sure I explained it well.

The part where your win con is not the same as mine?

Town wins by lynching scum. You win by surviving. That isn't a town wincon.

[vezokpiraka]

Vezok I still don't even know why you're voting Shiro.

Because he's scum and Shiro is an easy cop out.
Shiro is town for me. And pushing for that 'slip' is what's scummy.

UNVOTE: FB
VOTE: vezokpiraka

I am voting Shiro mostly for what ABR said. Tries way too hard to appear not dangerous. I was on the fence about shiro and voted him to see where that would go. Apparently that went to him caving and claiming third party.

Brains! I sense fresh human brains!

VOTE: vezokpiraka

This vote is just dumb.

[shos]

inte has been prodded.
The Silver Bard replaces ShadedMelee effective immediately. Thank you!

[The Silver Bard]

Confirmed

[The Silver Bard]

This Shiro claim really baffles me. I don't understand why you would claim at this point. The timing of the claim brings very little information to the table, and Shiro was not really pressured. So I find it somewhat suspicious.

On the other hand the claim itself, the flavor of it makes sense, Arthas would need to be turned to be a part of the Undead Scourge, and dieing before this would result in him not having become part of the Undead Scourge. Also the fact that Shiro earlier talked about Arthas makes this claim believable to me.

I find vezopirakas reasoning for voting Shiro after the claim strange though. He says his main reason for voting him is ABR's reasons, which to me seems weak (Trying to hard to appear not dangerous??). He also says he'd vote someone who he beleives isn't scum but thrid party. That seems scummy to me. If Shinro's claim is true then he will clearly be part of the town, and would help to further towns chances to win. Lynching Shiro if you believe him to not be scum is a bad move for town.

So:
VOTE: vezokpiraka

This is L-2 I think.

[vezokpiraka]

This Shiro claim really baffles me. I don't understand why you would claim at this point. The timing of the claim brings very little information to the table, and Shiro was not really pressured. So I find it somewhat suspicious.

On the other hand the claim itself, the flavor of it makes sense, Arthas would need to be turned to be a part of the Undead Scourge, and dieing before this would result in him not having become part of the Undead Scourge. Also the fact that Shiro earlier talked about Arthas makes this claim believable to me.

I find vezopirakas reasoning for voting Shiro after the claim strange though. He says his main reason for voting him is ABR's reasons, which to me seems weak (Trying to hard to appear not dangerous??). He also says he'd vote someone who he beleives isn't scum but thrid party. That seems scummy to me. If Shinro's claim is true then he will clearly be part of the town, and would help to further towns chances to win. Lynching Shiro if you believe him to not be scum is a bad move for town.

So:
VOTE: vezokpiraka

This is L-2 I think.

What the fuck are you talking about? Lynching third parties is bad now? Tell that to SMITE mafia. Or literally any other game with third parties.

I don't even know what's happening this game. I needed people with reason to talk to me.

[Shiro]

I am not third party I am town that doesn't win unless

[Shiro]

He survives till end of day 2. I don't win alone. I win with town or with Nobody if I die before then.

[Shinobi]

I don't understand how Shiro's claim makes him third party.

[vezokpiraka]

I don't understand how Shiro's claim makes him third party.

Town's wincon is lynch all scum.
Shiro wincon is survive and maybe kill scum. Probably doesn't contain kill scum anywhere.

In conclusion Shiro has a different wincon. That means he doesn't have the town wincon. That means he is third party.

Seriously guys, this ain't that hard.

[Netherspite]

Arthas wins with us...
We win when all humans dead...
Arthas - our king!
Arthas wins when all humans dead!
Slay humans!
All hail the raising Lich King!

[Shiro]

I don't understand how Shiro's claim makes him third party.

Town's wincon is lynch all scum.
Shiro wincon is survive and maybe kill scum. Probably doesn't contain kill scum anywhere.

In conclusion Shiro has a different wincon. That means he doesn't have the town wincon. That means he is third party.

Seriously guys, this ain't that hard.

I can't win alone. I don't win by surviving

I only win with town but lose regardless of who wins if I don't reach end of day 2.

If I die before end of day 2 and town wins I lose
If I die after end of day 2 and town wins I win
If I survive to end and town wins I win.


If mafia wins in any of the scenarios above I lose

I would quote exactly how it is written but it is against the rules. The closest I could was in my flavour claim post.

Why do you act like it is so hard to understand.?

[FA_Q2]

Shiro is giving me mixed feelings.

vote shiro

Let's see how this goes.

I had to post one since ABR mentioned it.

Ok here is the deal can you like not lynch me until day 3? Or if there is a vig kill me n2

I am going to flavour claim as well and further complicate things

I am Arthas crowned prince of lordaeron and soon to be the first death Knight

I have picked up frostmourne and corrupted my soul. At the end of day 2 I will join the burning Legion thus be capable of winning with them. I can't win if I don't survive till the end of day 2.

That is why was confused. Because Arthas when he got corrupted ended up killing mal ganis who was commanding the scourge at the time.

Role stays secret till l-1 and intent, though ftr iT is also delayed till night 2

This makes sense and I think it is overly complex for a fake claim.

UNVOTE: for the time being. I need to think on this a little more.

[FA_Q2]

I don't understand how Shiro's claim makes him third party.

Town's wincon is lynch all scum.
Shiro wincon is survive and maybe kill scum. Probably doesn't contain kill scum anywhere.

In conclusion Shiro has a different wincon. That means he doesn't have the town wincon. That means he is third party.

Seriously guys, this ain't that hard.

His post was crystal clear. You are being obtuse here - he essentially stated he has a town win-con that states he loses entirely if lynched to early. It fits the lore as well and think that (if true) it was a very nice addition by the MOD. It also makes no sense to fake something like this so it seems genuine to me (as well as fills in the blank about not wanting to claim earlier).

Though, in all honesty, Shiro could have simply claimed corrupted Arthas way back when I first asked and it would not have been such a big deal IMHO.

[FA_Q2]

This game is boring.

Only for lack of commenting.

Want it to be more interesting - say something. For the most part Shiro seems to be out - do you have any reads. From your ISO I get nothing at all. You mentioned Vezok's vote but not what you think of his alignment.