Tarot uPick II - GAME OVER

[Wisdom]

so much wrong in one post

So, any takers?

[Perpetual Nonsense]

Klingon's ISO is full of non-committal arbitrary scumreads such as this one:

Spoiler:

Klingon, I'll make this nice and easy on you. Vote kuroko. I'll tell you if anything changes.

You know what? I do think there's Scum between them and Tammy.

VOTE: Kuroko Network





Ika, tell me about Brantz being Scum.

hawk, what is your read on Wisdom and do you make anything of Nacho's reasoning for scum reading him?

Klingon, no response to this?

You know what? I do think there's Scum between them and Tammy.

VOTE: Kuroko Network

What is the reasoning behind this (as in why are me/Tammy linked)? I'm not sure why you'd claim there's scum specifically between us two.

Sorry for not answering.

The ridiculous level of noise in the game has much to do with it.

I could see TvT arguing if it didn't go into so many pages of so many useless words.

So maybe it's an attention ho fight. The schematics are right for that, but the wording isn't.

So it must be TvS.

Tammy looks to be her normal lemony self, as opposed to desperately flailing lemony, so she must be the Town side of the discussion.

Leaves you on the other end.

What's the basis for the thought that a TvT can't be protracted and silly?

An enthusiastic TvT usually runs out of steam before long. A slow-burning TvT lasts longer, but there are fewer posts overall. This feud made my brain bleed.

And there was nothing silly about it. I'm entertained by silly. I was tormented by this fight.

The notion that because the fight is long and useless, it must be TvS. Not only is that ridiculous, but what's more important is that someone with the experience of klingon KNOWS stuff like this. He HAS to have seen a long useless TvT fight before. This scumread is extremely easy as it's based on some kind of 'theory' instead of showing how he really feels about certain players. Just applying (flawed) theories reads like scum to me. Other than that, there is a constant lack of doing anything and sheeping of the large wagons, as seen below.

Hai, Pisskop! Hai, Vedith!

If someone doesn't sheep Ika I think his head will explode. Damn, he be ragin'.

VOTE: Brantz

Let's go klingon wagon. GO GO GO

WISDOM you came off as townish around page 70-85 and I won't be able to play until deadline so you have my vote.

Brantz is a sorry excuse for a wagon because
1. He's easy to catch via interactions
2. He will obvtown if town later
3. His assessment of the kuroko-wisdom argument in 1676 sounds town to me

NOT going for that. I'd rather lynch a claimed lynchproof, I guess, or whatever vedith claimed.

All of the current wagons are shit tbh and wisdom I believe in you to make a new meaningful one. I think klingon is a good one as his content DOES look like just being there and not trying to evaluate the game and slapping votes on the big wagons.

VOTE: klingon

I have approximately 10 minutes because I have to go to work.

My first question is: what is TOWER REVERSED?

The Tower is the worst Card in the Deck. It indicates the highest level of disaster possible in a given reading. Absolute daeth, destruction, catastrophe, ruin.

Reversed it's still awful, but less so.

I can't see how this could possibly be configured into Town.

Excuse me for being literal.

Wisdom how does his sticking to his setup spec make him scum and not just stubborn (null)? Do you agree with what Tier posted?

[Perpetual Nonsense]

@Wisdom

do you have a townread on any of --- tammy, pie, medea, or kagami?

tammy and kagami yes, pie not as much but brantz being traitor makes me feel better about him given brantz's push on him

i dont know about medea, standard cabd and underwhelming penguin

i dont recall pisskop doing anything either

i dont like aj much

Since Wis won't give reads...

(Also he voted Vedith/Muki, Anen, Perpetual Nonsense, Klingon) during the later stages of D1
Early stages went for Kuroko and Muki)

VOTE: muki

im liking brantz

I just don't like this BRantz wagon. He has done nothing scummy yet people are acting like he has.

Kuroko, ika, klingon, Aneninen, pisskop, AJ? One of those probably, but I can't say I feel strongly about any of them

[Perpetual Nonsense]

unofficial VC:

BRantz (10): Ika Zaru, Kuroko Network, ZeL1nK2, Oil Tycoons, Kamigami, Vedith, Perpetual Nonsense, Luna Fox, Fluff Central, Wall of Fire
Aneninen (6): Aj The Epic, Medea The Alien, pisskop, BRantz, Wisdom, Bacde
Perpetual Nonsense (1): ProHawk
Klingoncelt (1): Idiocy


Not Voting (3): Aneninen, Klingoncelt, Tammy

luna that doesn't make any sense. lynching a fucking protective joat and hoping they are scum is not better than what you're trying to say is bad.

prohawk, idiocy and tammy will join this, pretty sure. Just need two of you over here.

Also one of you should unvote so aneninen doesn't hammer.

No one else cared so much about saving Brantz.

[Perpetual Nonsense]

VOTE: Wisdom

[Aj The Epic]

So are you saying Wisdom knew, then?

[Luna Fox]

I think we've been over what the problem with wisdom's stances are, don't try to suggest you aren't paying attention.

[Perpetual Nonsense]

Brantz seems like this game's TheWayItEnds (from Purple 2)
A person to just WK beyond belief (contrarian kind of way) to sort of unnerve people trying to scumhunt

[Perpetual Nonsense]

So are you saying Wisdom knew, then?

How should I know?

If he's scum, he might have known if he recognized hints? What are your thoughts on Wisdom?

[Aj The Epic]

I already stated that he's playing like I remember him. I had the same issue with the brantz wagon: I didn't trust anyone on it outside OT and Zelink and was fairly certain it was scum driven. I'm not seeing what you all are.

[Perpetual Nonsense]

Where is town PN and why did you kill them?

I don't understand why you've gone from being one of the best voices of reasons to coming back from lurking and not helping at all.

I think the person I'm most disappointed with for voting PN in the first place in Luna, since she's been about as town a read as I can have.

Okay, makes sense. So you think scum are in (Ika, Kuroko, Idiocy) who drove the wagon to begin with before Zelink and Oil gave it a shove? You voted Kuroko early D1 and later Ika.

What do you remember of Wisdom of old that still applies years later?
Do you still want to wagon Anen? Are you still scum reading ProHawk?

[Perpetual Nonsense]

Also, exactly how were We a voice of reason? That's a big reason I started to think you were phony.

[fferyllt]

VC 2.3

The origins of Tarot are tangled and contested, but a few facts are widely accepted among most Tarot historians. A card game called Tarocchi, which had some similarities to Faro was played in Italy, and the surviving decks of cards have some resemblance to playing cards that made their way into the Middle East via Mamluk conquest.



Mamluk playing cards, with the emblematic coins, swords, wands and cups.

Klingoncelt

(2): Wisdom, Idiocy

Aj The Epic

(2): ProHawk, Wall of Fire

Idiocy

(2): Oil Tycoons, Vedith

Wisdom

(2): Luna Fox, Perpetual Nonsense

Ika Zaru

(2): Kuroko Network, Aj The Epic

Medea the Alien

(1): Fluff Central

Not Voting

(8): Klingoncelt, Aneninen, Bacde, Ika Zaru, pisskop, Tammy, Kamigami, Medea the Alien

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.
Deadline: October 18, Noon US Eastern Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2015-10-18 09:00:00)

Mod Notes:

[Perpetual Nonsense]

Spoiler: oops missed this

@Wisdom
PN? His read on Luna matches my feelings. 335 (where it appears Oil Tycoon is about to call him scummy) is a care-free response. Lacking an opinion on how people view you is definitely a town tell, as long as you're providing the content to back it up. A mix between the right prodding question and not being worried about how he's perceived is enough to be town.

Hey AJ, what is your opinion of Muki and Wisdom?

Murk's opinion that Zelink's effort==town isn't my favorite, especially since we were still thinking it might be a post restriction. I don't understand his read on perpetual nonsense, now looking back on his iso. Calling him scummy when I think he's conftown is obviously a conflicting view. He has a lot of unpopular reads and has still managed to avoid my attention because he hasn't posted enough on these reads (scum OT, scummy PN, town Zelink off super wall posts <== ask Mastin about wall posting as alignment indicative).

He also has yet to vote. Given this, I'm going to give him a scum lean. I'm surprised I didn't notice him earlier.

So I've played one game with Wisdom (maybe 2? Did I play with you in pikmin?) and that game was this:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=26051

He was town, had some good reads and survived to lylo. His posting style is unchanged which honestly surprised me (I thought he had posted longer posts in the Pokémon game). I had him as a part of the town bloc and up until struggling to find the last scum in lylo, we were fairly effective. He was almost seen as town by necessity in that game if I remember (too many lurkers, had to combat apathy) but it was the right call.

As of so far, he's acting the same. He asks questions and he's not super in-depth on any vote. He gets tied up in debates with people that sometime seem pointless. The one difference is that he was a more stable with his vote. He needs to show more reads, as the only one right now is where his vote is. Obviously I agree with the vote. At this point, I don't believe him to be scum, especially with how outrageous the case on him from Kuroko is.

Ok I still don't see how that playstyle gives you a townread here in this game, so maybe you can elaborate?

[Echo Echo]

LOL That votecount.

[Kuroko Network]

LOL That votecount.

Catching up on a couple of pages...

[Aj The Epic]

Ok I still don't see how that playstyle gives you a townread here in this game, so maybe you can elaborate?

There's not a lot more to it. I share his belief that the brantz wagon was scum driven to some extent, I see similarities in play to the other time I've played with him and with the amount of noise he's made this game, there's nothing blatantly scum in it. Obviously I can't put too much into that out of date meta, but for an early d2 read it suffices.

[Perpetual Nonsense]

The two major wagons (since Prohawk's is falling off) have compositions that I would almost believe everyone as outright town outside Kuroko, Ikaru, Brantz, Idiocy, and Klington (since he's had too little to get a read).

OT, Muffinz, what do you think of your guys' wagon composition? Do you figure it to be a bus or are you assuming the other occupants are town in some amount?

Why do you prefer Ika? His role in the Brantz lynch doesn't really make me feel good or bad either way, so just curious

VOTE: bratz

lets lycnh scum instead of circlejeking another 40 pages shall we?

im still not convinced bratz is town and should be lynched pronto

the catchup was meh at beast and seems really weak for what i would expect from town!bratz

[Aj The Epic]

Why do you prefer Ika? His role in the Brantz lynch doesn't really make me feel good or bad either way, so just curious

It's more off the interaction brantz allegedly had with ika and the general lack of a read I have on Ika makes me willing to roll a dice on it. The interaction makes me think brantz knew and was trying to crumb it to as few people as possible.

[Klingoncelt]

VOTE: klingon

id like to do this today

No. You wouldn't.

Unless you really are Scum.

[Perpetual Nonsense]

It's more off the interaction brantz allegedly had with ika and the general lack of a read I have on Ika makes me willing to roll a dice on it. The interaction makes me think brantz knew and was trying to crumb it to as few people as possible.

oh cool thx. Does Kuroko being the first vote on the Ika wagon bother you?

Spoiler: @ProHawk

I was wrong about the Alien.

Lots of stuff happened last night.

I'm no longer a neighbor Virgin!

@prohawk: yeah and you haven't commented about the dead scum's reads lists (as in, where you think the scum are located, and in what quantity). which is something you seemed eager to do in our last old game:

Town: Luna, Grandpa Oil, Tammy, WallofFire

Neutral: Ika Zaru, Medea, Klingon, Pisskop, Fluff, Zelink, Idiocy, Konowa

Scummy: Kuroko, Wisdom

People who others seem to have a much better read on that I need to iso (more to remind myself to do this than anything else): Kamigami, AJ, Perpetual Nonsense, ProHawk, Muki, Anein.

@Pro:
Town:Tammy, Oil Tycoons, Wall of Fire, Luna Fox, Kamigami
Town lean: Bacde, Zelink, AJ the Epic, Idiocy
Neutral: Fluff Central, Medea the Alien, Wisdom, Prohawk, Perpetual Nonsense, pisskop
Scum Lean: Kuroko Network, Klingoncelt, Aneninen
Scummy: Vedith, Ika Zaru

[Klingoncelt]

I can't remember a single thing Kling has posted

ISO me.

I'm here, I'm reading, I'm figuring things out.

[Klingoncelt]

i'll tell you. she posted that we should lynch brantz because tower is the worst tarot card. And when she was told that flavor is not alignment indicative as confirmed by the mod, she just shrugged it off.

And then what happened?

Oyeah he flipped Scum.

Yer welcome.

[Kuroko Network]

I've caught up, nothing much of interest.

[Perpetual Nonsense]

Sup!