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Post Post #1825 (ISO) » Wed Oct 07, 2015 9:29 pm

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In post 1797, Titus wrote:
In post 1796, talah wrote:My problem is ruling town/town out in any scenario.

Already said Titus should actually be analysing the initial Skybird (aka choof) claim if she thinks there's something wrong there.


You mean where I accuse Skybird of coaching Veegee.

FNs in my book are guilty until proven innocent.

Second, Skybird cannot be guilty unless VeeGee also is guilty.

Third, there's no reason to push on Skybird when he will prove himself scum or have an accident (dead target, role blocked, sent to a buddy, anyway). As much as I think the FNs will be a circle jerk/scum protection ring, that's the logic people are going with so I cannot get a skybird lynch.

Problem is that if VeeGee flips scum it's doesn't say anything equivocal about Skybird's alignment. And you still have the problem that Skybird's slot claimed it first.

I'm thinking that there are either legitimately 2 FN roles in this game, or there are none. And the none option is rabbit-hole stuff.
But like you say events will shed more light on it.

Regarding your VeeGee argument - if Skybird's town and VeeGee is scum then it makes not a lot of difference whether he botched the paraphrasing of the receive message intentionally or otherwise.
I suppose he could do it to try to get a free FN lynch and then say it was a legitimate mistake (because he actually got the message). Or if he did flip scum it would cast further suspicion on Skybird due to the sketchy nature of the reveal.
But it's also an argument that other-scum could use to try to get a free FN lynch if they were bussing VeeGee. And the only realistic reason to be voting VeeGee over Skybird if you disbelieve the FN claim is to get a town-flip from Veegee to prove your suspicion wrong.
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Post Post #1826 (ISO) » Wed Oct 07, 2015 9:44 pm

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In post 1782, Salamence20 wrote:
In post 1780, talah wrote:
In post 1776, Salamence20 wrote:
In post 1774, talah wrote:I still don't think AJ's scum.


FAFAFAFAFAFAFAFAFAFAFA

Haven't learned to translate "FAFA" yet


No.

Vote FA.

Why are you voting Vedith and trying to get me to vote FAQ?
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Post Post #1827 (ISO) » Wed Oct 07, 2015 10:43 pm

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In post 1822, Titus wrote:@skybird, you are not conftown. *growls*


I understand what you are saying Titus. Give it a few more nights.

UNVOTE: I think we have discussed the FN stuff enough personally. It doesn't seem to be leading us any closer to finding scum.

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Post Post #1828 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 3:37 am

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@Talah, You just went through great analysis on why to vote VeeGee while espousing a conclusion that cannot be true if VeeGee is town (namely AJ and the Worst are town).

Assuming Sky and The Worst are town, they'll have zero problem sending the message to someone other than themselves, AJ, TW, Talah, and Sam.
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Post Post #1829 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 3:37 am

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*Sam = Sal damn autocorrect.
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Post Post #1830 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 5:12 am

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....Oh, so it's fine for them to send to vedith/CDB?
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Post Post #1831 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 5:13 am

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Vedith and CDB are more likely than not town.
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Post Post #1832 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 5:13 am

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In post 1831, Titus wrote:Vedith and CDB are more likely than not town.

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Post Post #1833 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 5:18 am

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In post 1832, Luna Fox wrote:
In post 1831, Titus wrote:Vedith and CDB are more likely than not town.

No

Yes.
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Post Post #1834 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 10:15 am

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Post Post #1835 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 10:36 am

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@Performer, VLA notices are bolded.

Mod: Performer is VLA until Saturday
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Post Post #1836 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 2:33 pm

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VeeGee and AJ can be scum completely separate from us two FN claims btw.

So CDB and Sala are left to tell IaI if they're protective roles or not, correct? I want to see where this goes.
Also this is a bit of a prodge, gonna be honest.
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Post Post #1837 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 2:35 pm

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Indeed.
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Post Post #1838 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 2:39 pm

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Quite.
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Post Post #1839 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 3:22 pm

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A wise choice!

Titus, what about vedith's play makes you comfortable with him? You pointed out one post in his exchange with tallah but honestly the rest of them were pretty bad.
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Post Post #1840 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 3:55 pm

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In post 1828, Titus wrote:@Talah, You just went through great analysis on why to vote VeeGee while espousing a conclusion that cannot be true if VeeGee is town (namely AJ and the Worst are town).

This is a
factually incorrect statement
. Can you tell me what shadow-condition you're overlaying on top of actual facts to reach the conclusion that if VeeGee is town, AJ and Worst are scum?

Assuming Sky and The Worst are town, they'll have zero problem sending the message to someone other than themselves, AJ, TW, Talah, and Sam.

I'm not at all comfortable with you having any influence over who messages are sent to while you're presenting falsities as fact. This is what you did in Gundam - just slipping in bullshit statements here and there and not explaining them when challenged, but rather saying they were correct when they're obviously not. I'm not having that in this game so if you could kindly explain your position on the interdependencies between Skybird/VeeGee and AJ/Worst that would be appreciated.
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Post Post #1841 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 4:09 pm

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In post 1839, Aj The Epic wrote:A wise choice!

Titus, what about vedith's play makes you comfortable with him? You pointed out one post in his exchange with tallah but honestly the rest of them were pretty bad.


Nah Vedith's posts have mostly been good and too much scum elsewhere.
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Post Post #1842 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 4:17 pm

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In post 1840, talah wrote:
In post 1828, Titus wrote:@Talah, You just went through great analysis on why to vote VeeGee while espousing a conclusion that cannot be true if VeeGee is town (namely AJ and the Worst are town).

This is a
factually incorrect statement
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Assuming Sky and The Worst are town, they'll have zero problem sending the message to someone other than themselves, AJ, TW, Talah, and Sam.

I'm not at all comfortable with you having any influence over who messages are sent to while you're presenting falsities as fact. This is what you did in Gundam - just slipping in bullshit statements here and there and not explaining them when challenged, but rather saying they were correct when they're obviously not. I'm not having that in this game so if you could kindly explain your position on the interdependencies between Skybird/VeeGee and AJ/Worst that would be appreciated.


Nope. If VeeGee is town, Worst and AJ are scum. The wiki requires FN messages to be the same. They claim different messages. So either they are in opposition, or there's a mod error.

Well I am not presenting falsaties as fact. So you can stop whining about the obvious.

We can't have the four send to each other in case of a circle jerk. Sal is scummy. You're too interested in control.

Thus my pool.
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Post Post #1843 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 4:28 pm

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Okay.

If you do the subtraction what's the remaining pool?

@AJ, did you clarify whether your message states 'Town Friendly Neighbour' or just 'Friendly Neighbour'?

I remember Titus asking this before but don't remember your response if any.
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Post Post #1844 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 4:33 pm

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In post 1842, Titus wrote:Nope. If VeeGee is town, Worst and AJ are scum. The wiki requires FN messages to be the same. They claim different messages. So either they are in opposition, or there's a mod error.

See:
In post 1465, Skybird wrote:Yes, I am a FN. In my role pm the message that goes to the targetted player is
name, role, is town
. I don't know why VeeGee didn't make that clear in his response.
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Post Post #1845 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 4:36 pm

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In fact,
In post 1527, VeeGee wrote:Yes. Because I tried to paraphrase it.


And it came out differently than how AJ decided to paraphrase it.


He was more accurate that I was.

Pedit: Skybird, Town Firendly Neighbor, is town.

I honestly have no idea where you're going with this, Titus. I expect better from you.
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Post Post #1846 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 5:11 pm

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The word town is superfluous. Already said that.

If you can't figure out where I am going, the problem is your reading comprehension or role PM.

@Talah, The subtraction leaves me, Luna, Vedith, Performer, FAQ2 and CDB, and IaI.
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Post Post #1847 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 5:19 pm

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Titus - so was there a conflict or did AJ also say 'Town Friendly Neighbour'?

Also I've just decided I don't care if the FN messages get sent to scummy players because they also have to confirm. However FAQ needs to come out of the pool because he's claimed a PR and would be too easy to kill and say the message went there.
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Post Post #1848 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 5:22 pm

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Oh and presumably IaI needs to not be in the pool.
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Post Post #1849 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 5:23 pm

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@Talah, He just said Friendly Neighbor.

Wait FAQ claimed a PR? IAI did.

Also Sal is avoiding this thread.
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