Mini 1714: Justified Season 2 Mafia (Endgame)

catboi · Post Post #1875 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 2:07 pm

Your argument is what, that Helen Givens or Gary Hawkins would be given out as names to scum?

catboi · Post Post #1876 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 2:10 pm

having a flavor cop role that can return a false positive would be more or less explicitly bastard

BBmolla · Post Post #1877 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 2:12 pm

LLD what makes you so confident I'm town?

catboi · Post Post #1878 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 2:12 pm

I mean I don't even

need

that argument to show why I'm town and why dwlee is town, but still.

BBmolla · Post Post #1879 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 2:16 pm

Flavor Cop in this game seems unlikely fwiw.

BBmolla · Post Post #1880 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 2:17 pm

Forensic gives 1 confirmed scum, then you include another role that can get multiple confirmed scum?

Sounds messy as fuck and un-CDBish.

BBmolla · Post Post #1881 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 2:20 pm

We should probably lynch thw scum rolecop

BBmolla · Post Post #1882 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 2:21 pm

In post 904, ChannelDelibird wrote:Quilford, Dewey Crowe, Town Doppelganger, has died on Night 1.

^like

what do you think this does

lmao

catboi · Post Post #1883 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 2:24 pm

The way dwlee set up his claim came in a way that's exceptionally unlikely to come from scum. He seems like a smart kid, but I don't think he's nearly that crafty.

and didn't we just go down this road with the setup balance yesterday? mislyncher and doppelganger are both antitown roles (the latter of which is an explicit downside to a flavor cop role, fwiw). weak doc is powerful but has significant downside, which we've experienced. Don't think it's that unbalanced at all + reads on players in the game should trump balance speculation.

There's also quite a few associative tells that implicate LLD - the case I built yesterday is pretty damn significant.

BBmolla · Post Post #1884 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 2:25 pm

I think you told him to claim it.

BBmolla · Post Post #1885 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 2:26 pm

Forensic Investigator gets one confirmed scum

That + A Flavor Cop who can also get confirmed scum

lol?

BBmolla · Post Post #1886 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 2:26 pm

And a weak Doc

k

catboi · Post Post #1887 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 2:32 pm

What the hell do I look like to you, the don corleone?

In post 1559, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 383, Dwlee99 wrote:Does anyone know about the flavors and/or what would be a mafia flavor?

In post 973, Dwlee99 wrote:VOTE: Yimmy
Yea, agree with catboi on their posts (Yimmy never answered why the logic was 'Good' like I asked either ;-;) plus I have a major town read on catboi so I don't think they're trying to push a mislynch.

The fact that Yimmy's thoughts on Shinobi weren't impacted by Quil's 'Good' logic speaks to me the loudest.

In post 1526, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1524, chamber wrote:I don't believe there is me + a weak doc + another investigative role all town.

I disagree~

These are my soft-claims.
Do you think that scum could have no incriminating flavor and I'm just a glorified visitor? Like a negative utility, maybe?
I don't think so, though.

If this was his planned claim he would have to have been angling for it from day 1, which is

insane

. He's

fourteen

.

Also, do you think I'd tell him to claim his role and then NOT go all in to win yesterday? He could very easily have opposed chamber yesterday, and didn't - bussing there by any measure would make today much harder. I'm not stupid, I could read the way the wind was blowing - during yesterday, you, shinobi, UT, and LLD all expressed at least SOME degree of suspicion of chamber - I could have EASILY led a lynch on him and won the game if I was scum. To think I would bus there, out of, what, sheer ego? It's absurd. I led the lynch on notvarsoon precisely because I'd worked out he was far more likely to be scum and was afraid people might vote chamber otherwise.

catboi · Post Post #1888 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 2:33 pm

Jesus Christ molla are you even reading the thread? or are you taking guesses based on imagined setup balance while ignoring every word I post?

catboi · Post Post #1889 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 2:35 pm

Did you read my case yesterday or did you skip it because it was longer than three lines?

catboi · Post Post #1890 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 2:36 pm

That comes off as snark but it's a legit question - I'm not sure if you've actually read it or you didn't bother and just went with the flow

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #1891 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 3:07 pm

My argument is that scum are given SAFE CLAIMS.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #1892 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 3:08 pm

In post 1875, catboi wrote:Your argument is what, that Helen Givens or Gary Hawkins would be given out as names to scum?

Meant to quote this with the above post. Almost guaranteed scum have safeclaims, and that you are abusing that fact.

catboi · Post Post #1893 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 3:10 pm

Lmao, of course they are - that's totally irrelevant given both of us were scanned by the claimed flavor cop. I'm not arguing that scum wouldn't have fakeclaims because I'm not a dunce and obviously know better - you'd know that if you were actually reading the thread

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #1894 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 3:20 pm

Yeah, my paranoia about Shinobi has gone far enough.

Dwlee and Catboi. Lynch either one today, the other tomorrow, town wins. I don't care which one anymore.

catboi · Post Post #1895 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 3:22 pm

Haha ok

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1896 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 3:41 pm

In post 1877, BBmolla wrote:LLD what makes you so confident I'm town?

@Lady Lambadelta you never answered this question.

In post 1892, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 1875, catboi wrote:Your argument is what, that Helen Givens or Gary Hawkins would be given out as names to scum?

Meant to quote this with the above post. Almost guaranteed scum have safeclaims, and that you are abusing that fact.

But they wouldn't appear as their fake claims under my investigations so that doesn't make much sense.

catboi · Post Post #1897 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 3:50 pm

She's not really reading the game so a lot of what she says isn't going to make sense, but her new angle is going to be that we're scum and I had you clear me. It's still a ludicrous argument - if that was the plan, it would have made FAR more sense to directly counter claim chamber and push on him yesterday, as opposed to waiting until today to go for the win and having to answer why you're still alive and deal with BBmolla being paranoid about setup balance

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1898 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 4:01 pm

In post 1897, catboi wrote:She's not really reading the game so a lot of what she says isn't going to make sense, but her new angle is going to be that we're scum and I had you clear me. It's still a ludicrous argument - if that was the plan, it would have made FAR more sense to directly counter claim chamber and push on him yesterday, as opposed to waiting until today to go for the win and having to answer why you're still alive and deal with BBmolla being paranoid about setup balance

But if I was a fake claimed flavor cop and we have a flipped scum already then how did I get shinobi's flavor? o.O
LLD's argument makes no sense..

catboi · Post Post #1899 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 4:07 pm

the argument is supposed to be that you're really a flavor cop/role cop, just one for scum

it's a silly argument but also a waste of time given she's scum and is just going to be looking to impose her viewpoint and arguing with her is mostly going to generate noise

the proper play here is to talk with the players who are town and work on persuading them. Know shinobi's one, I'm 99% confident BBmolla is as well due to certain reactions/interactions that I think are genuine