Mini 1726: Netherspite's Semi-Open Role Madness [Game Over]

[ika]

Cool, good to know. Thanks Ika!

If they are neutral, doesn't that mean their wincon can go either way?
Possible asset, unless I'm missing something.

welcome.

As for neutral its dependent on what she is. i looked at OP to see what existed just in case anything was omitted but it not so i can tell them all

any neutral evil can not win with town so im not gonna go into them

survivor doesnt give a fuck and 99% of the time does get lynched on sight mostly cus its a safe fakeclaim for sucm (although ideal play for survivor is to claim day 1 and vest each night and if bus driver exist is to bus the survivor and themselfs/potential kill targets to use as meat sheild)

executioner (lyncher) most times would jsut claim fake guilties on their targets day 2 and get them lynched, it is however unknown on one potiont hat needs to be clarified

is the executionrs target always town or can it be any alignment

there is an option where the executiosn target is always town (and it cant be marshal/mayor due to being confirmed town by power) and if thats the case bins should jsut claim her target and if we have buffer room lynch them later for her win

jester (omg my fav): ideal play is to jsut be assholery as possible or set up so much shit that its not belivable. however with her early claim right now if shes jester the ideal thing is to claim one of the opposing roles and get lycnhed. claiming jester as jester is also a ploy used cus towns can be relucent to do evey lynch it and makes scum fakecliams. i doubt shes doing that gambit though.

amnisac: she should claim this and if we end up lynching town in out 3 set lynch she takes the most potental one night 1 to prove her role or get turboed tommorow. there is one thing i think mod left out

can amisiac take unique roles (ie mayor/marshall/witch doc)

[ika]

anywyas enough rambling out of me.

i need a vc to look at as well

[Davsto]

I probably should have done this while discussing with Spiffeh but I don't think I actually did (which is also why I dislike the "overreacted to the vote on me" comment considering there wasn't one).

VOTE: Spiffeh

[Netherspite]

VoteCount 1.3

Shiro (3)

- Bellaphant, Heartless, Spiffeh

Heartless (1)

- Ankamius

hiplop (1)

- Jeanne11

Bins (1)

- Runner

Spiffeh (5)

- Delenn, hiplop, Shiro, Aristophanes, Davsto

Not Voting:

Bins, ika

With 13 players alive, it takes

7

to lynch.

The deadline is in

(expired on 2015-10-21 21:36:54)

Notes:

Town may perform up to 3 lynches today. More information

I am sorry for the delay with the VC but I'm living in UTC+2 so that was sleeping time for me.

[Netherspite]

@Nether,
With Marshall in play, when each player gets lynched, this means they are effectively removed from the game, but without a flip, untileither deadline or all three lynches are reached. Is this correct?

Correct.

is the executionrs target always town or can it be any alignment

It can be any alignment.

can amisiac take unique roles (ie mayor/marshall/witch doc)

Yes.

[Ankamius]

ok I'll stop

UNVOTE: Heartless
VOTE: Hiplop

[ika]

hmmmm....

mod if an amesicac takes marshall can they activate the ability again and get 3 addiotnal lynches the next day?

if this is the case t should be a mass call toDay so we can work out claims and CC and then work form there outward we would have anough lynches (assuming we got a portective thats not rber) to clean the board

[Davsto]

I am not comfortable with a massclaim today. It is likely to result in people who are both conftown

and

a good power role and I am seriously against it.

[Netherspite]

hmmmm....

mod if an amesicac takes marshall can they activate the ability again and get 3 addiotnal lynches the next day?

if this is the case t should be a mass call toDay so we can work out claims and CC and then work form there outward we would have anough lynches (assuming we got a portective thats not rber) to clean the board

No, the Marshall ability may be activated only once per game regardless of whether there will be another Marshall or not.

Edit:

Added this clarification to the Marshall role PM in the OP.

[Davsto]

That is to say, it gives scum the knowledge of some really, really good nightkill targets.

[ika]

That is to say, it gives scum the knowledge of some really, really good nightkill targets.

You really dont know how broken mass claim really is in the sc2 mafia mod world do you....

Like the marshall is alrady confirmed town (and in a powerful player no less), even if we did mass call on this i dont see mcuh being changed.

*shrugs* im more used tothe sc2 mod meta of "marshal reveals you mass claim that shit so fast"

[Davsto]

I don't see how massclaim would be useful. Due to the three "Random Town" slots in the setup, scum can basically just claim any of the non-unique roles and be fine.

[ika]

I don't see how massclaim would be useful. Due to the three "Random Town" slots in the setup, scum can basically just claim any of the non-unique roles and be fine.

not really...

im too tired to work it out atm but the thing is the randoms leave very little buffer room. i mean even if all the scums calimed VT. and everyone else too PR/VT slots you can dedutce form there

sigh give me 5 and i can make a very rough draft

[Davsto]

I'm pretty sure Town Random can literally be any town role, and because they're randomly distributed Scum can just claim any non-unique roles and they can't be counterclaimed since there can be duplicates.

[ika]

im gonna have to spoiler cus its long and drawn out

Spoiler: how it works

our setup is currently this

Town Government (marshall confirmed)
Town Investigative
Town Protective
Town Killing or Power
Town Random
Town Random
Town Random
Godfather
Mafia Support
Mafia Deception
Neutral Killing
Neutral Evil or Benign
Neutral Evil or Benign

now im gonna make it it a little past simple and say the neutrals are jester and survivor

so jester will fakeclaim VT or something simple IMO, survivor let say truth claims and goes with it

so now we have

Town Investigative
Town Protective
Town Killing or Power
Town Random
Town Random
Godfather
Mafia Support
Mafia Deception
Neutral Killing
Neutral Evil or Benign

now lets say we got an investigator, a escort, and spy respctivly (the non conrimable ones but take up st slots) your left with

Town Random
Town Random
Godfather
Mafia Support
Mafia Deception
Neutral Killing
Neutral Evil or Benign

so now you got 2 town randoms to fill in and lets make them bg and crier as the town roles who have claimed.

bg overlaps on protet/kill so it is a plausable one. crier has to fit in town random.

your now the scum who have to fit a new position cus once the key sopts (protect/gov/kill/power is taken) it makes it indefently mcuh harder to wiggle out.

right now we have an extra VT claim in the mix (jester) lets say gf claims VT (now we got 2 VT to sort). mafia support claims invesitgator its a near CC yes but they cna both exist so that set off something and lets say we have kidnapper who claims jailor. now we got another overlap in what could be the rand/power/killing.

we also got the neutral killing who will most likely claim VT so now you got butt fuck VT claimers, random ass prs claiming. and a jester hiding out (you can concluse its most likely jester in that cus i think any else should jsut truth claim)

so now you jsut need to sort out who to lynch first and most likely in that case with mashall is to just lynch every VT claimer and go form there

pedit: yes but it still narrows the pool. there will already eb too many town claims and after the confirmed set are filled you can start deducting whos on what side based on feedbacks and actions.

[ika]

basicly what im saying is if all role claim truthfully its going to narrow what scums can do/claim and will most likely be caught via night actions and what can/cant exist anymore

[Davsto]

Meh. I'm not sold on it. Negatives don't seem to outweigh the positives.

[ika]

Meh. I'm not sold on it. Negatives don't seem to outweigh the positives.

*shrugs*

I wish i could pull up my old games or the stuff from the homesite.

[Bellaphant]

I think Ika's theory isn't terrible, actaully. Narrowing down from the claimed vts and pr without counter can work. Will address this more later.

[Shiro]

ok I'll stop

UNVOTE: Heartless
VOTE: Hiplop

What was the point of this ?

[Shiro]

I think the play today is to follow the confirmed town's lead.

Btw forgot to say but this is awkward and scummy.

You basically want to hide behind the conftown instead of laying out your own thoughts and opinions.

That is not a town mindset. You didn't act like this in Nyctapolis.

[Runner]

I'm not sure if I can be sold on the massclaim plan yet. I have similar thoughts to Davsto in that it's too early to be outting town PRs, based on assumptions of all/most of the scum (counting neutrals) going for the easier claims so we can just lynch them one after the other - especially after you just revealed that to them.

[Titus]

Runner, your thoughts on Spiffeh?

I usually hate massclaim, but in these setups claiming category but not specific role, might be a good idea. Just not when we have three lynches to get through.

[Runner]

VOTE: Spiffeh from cases already made, seems like a good first lynch.

If Bins did claim neutral I'd say that's worth a lynch too - though I don't see where this was hinted at.

p-edit ohaithere

[Spiffeh]

VOTE: Spiffeh

thx guys