Cliff's notes because I'm playing Isaac tonight and am currently being lazy.
@IaI
- The vig claim is the least believeable claim of all. There's still a missing nightkill to account for. My guess is that I was the sole nightkill and you're claiming it.
Titus did this as scum in Gundam - I referred to it earlier in the game.
I was a stupid vig candidate and you don't appear to have thought it through.
You also ignored my question on whether you'd looked at any of my scum meta before deciding to submit the kill against me. The job of a vig is to make good decisions, or if they can't be bothered researching their targets, to clear ambiguity. Not to go out on a limb because of gut feeling.
I think you didn't think it through beyond what you've already stated and the arguments in favour of vigging me night one were weak.
I also don't believe you had a reason to think Performer was crumbing hider unless it was covering for his claims. You reacted almost neutrally to his vig fakeclaim, demonstrated that you didn't spot any PGO claim, and a hider claim is super convenient if there's a scum JailKeeper. If performer was jailkept, any investigative result would come back as no result and the "crumb" could be easily modified to commuter instead of hider (as both roles avoid a nightkill). It just seems like fakeclaims in the making which was the whole reason I was pushing him so hard day 1.
And you'll note I was focussing on those *defending* him with reasons I considered bad, just as much.
The wagon was still almost impossible to push to L-1 over the full course of a day. That should be something you're suspicious of as a vig. Performer was the best kill last night.
@Performer
- I asked you some specific questions regarding your fake crumbing of claims in
post 1746.
Answer them please.
Regarding VeeGee:
We need him to come back in and clarify the following:
@VeeGee - does your Friendly Neighbour message have the word "Town" before the role?
Unfortunately even with what I agree with from Titus - the best outcome we can actually hope for is that VeeGee clarifies this is the case and flips *town*.
In this case AJ and TheWorst would be confirmed scum together. (self-pre-edit actually only AJ would be confirmed scum as he could be awkwarding the claim the same as VeeGee... I'll consider that.)
Otherwise he flips independent scum who decided to respond - awkwardly. A VeeGee scumflip would prove nothing else.
Regarding Friendly Neighbour claims
:
For Skybird to fake-claim FN *prior* to TheWorst town-claiming the same role, the scumteam would have had to have a Day-Rolecop shot and have targetted TheWorst with it.
Otherwise it's a very low probability that the original claim is fake - unless both are.
Regarding AJ/FAQ claims
:
I don't think we have enough evidence / good reasoning to lynch either today.
Even as a hypothetical - my current running theory being that there are simple enough roles which would counter the current town PR claims (minus the Vig claim which I don't believe for a second if it was rounded up to the closest integer) - Consider what I suggested to Performer.
Scum
= 1 unlimited strongman
= 1 jailkeeper
= 2 goons
All that needs to happen for town to be devastated is for the jailkeeper to keep the doc, then scum strongman kills the bodyguard.
Even if we happen to lynch correctly one or the other is preserved and has decent options when it comes to killing the remaining FNs if both of them are true.
There is literally no reason for us to lynch any of these claims today.
The only claim I would lynch is the Vig claim, which is traditionally (and proven in practice if last night's kill is even to be entertained) - a negative utility role.
The fact I don't believe it because it's a essentially a scumclaim targetting me has not much to do with the facts of "which PR would be good to lynch today?".
I'm underwhelmed that we're entertaining that our first lynch after a Day 1 no-kill will be any credible claimed PR which can't do anything to *harm* town tonight.
So - from my perspective these are the options
(in no particular order, although weighted differently):--
1) Get VeeGee to clarify the sameness or differentness of his claimed FN message compared to AJs, and lynch VeeGee if a difference exists
2) Lynch Performer like we should have done yesterday, and who is probably the scum strongman given that there was no forced kill last night, and his slot was under a lot of suspicion and a prime investigative target while scum knew less about roles than they do today
3) Lynch IaI as very probably scum claiming an actual kill attempt on me last night
4) I'm happy with Salamence / Firebird slot based on them pushing me to vote FAQ while voting someone else themselves, and also the role-check from Titus
5) Lynch CDB based on his defense of Performer and offering alternatives of FAQ / Zakk and (he'll disagree here) *effectively* not caring which.
Also super-concerned about Titus for the Performer defence on entry along with the questions I asked catboi about defending Performer which he answered with conflicts and then subbed out. Less concerned than others though as she appears to be doing work scumhunting. It's just the conclusions which take work to get a straight answer about and I'm still in conflict here because quite a lot of her *actions* seem town-motivated to me.
Anywhoo, that's pretty much my thoughts for tonight unless anyone's around in the next half hour and wants to talk.
VOTE: I Am Innocent