NY 190: Molla's Large Normal

[talah]

And I'm saying the most salient point is that he tried to kill someone who was scumreading both himself and Performer.

[talah]

Performer, I don't like VG saying he answered your questions when he didn't. That with his limited amount of content I'm thinking a VG lynch might be in order.

That is your read.

I have read sala as scum for awhile now.

Performer, I don't like VG saying he answered your questions when he didn't. That with his limited amount of content I'm thinking a VG lynch might be in order.

I could do this too.

I could do either as a compromise as well. I want Vedith's input though since he seemed to have a plan.

I want to lynch IaI. Will compromise for scum.
VeeGee just never came back.
CDB's posts have been uninformed and good-looking (read well formatted) but seem forced and his reasoning has been on the outside edges of what I'd call reality.
Sala / Firebringer I have no idea why you would read as town.
I'd think about Worst but for the FN claim.

Your opinion please sir.

[talah]

Just to clarify - Performer's not even on my radar as town.
Will compromise for other-scum.

So I probably should say
IaI
Performer

CDB prob-scum

Sal/Fire compromise
VeeGee compromise

[Vedith]

Who's opinion?
Can I give mine anyway?

Yeah I only doubt the claim from IaI as I doubt there are 2 people with BP.
The way it was done was off for me.

I already said about the 2 FN. Given 3 agreed names and they each visit 1 of their choice.

I just didn't see Sala at scum, what's scummy from him for you?

[talah]

Who's opinion?
Can I give mine anyway?

Yeah I only doubt the claim from IaI as I doubt there are 2 people with BP.
The way it was done was off for me.

I already said about the 2 FN. Given 3 agreed names and they each visit 1 of their choice.

I just didn't see Sala at scum, what's scummy from him for you?

Your opinion. I didn't check back to see what you said.

How does 2 BulletProof claims make you doubt IaI's vig claim?

I already said but for the hard of hearing it was because banana's slot worried me until the replace-out and then Sal was asking me to vote FAFAFAFAFA. Who he wasn't even voting at the time.

[talah]

Fair enough. I think it's more useful tomorrow after another message from each gets sent if we need to do so.

I would like to suggest some names. I think that it shouldn't be myself or you. As we both can be seen as biased.
I think 3 names given that is all agreed, and each FN picks a name from those 3.

I already said about the 2 FN. Given 3 agreed names and they each visit 1 of their choice.

Mokay. Your suggestions?

I'm actually struggling to think how this helps aside from avoiding PRs but explain that.

[Vedith]

How does 2 BulletProof claims make you doubt IaI's vig claim?

I already said but for the hard of hearing it was because banana's slot worried me until the replace-out and then Sal was asking me to vote FAFAFAFAFA. Who he wasn't even voting at the time.

Because I don't believe that there are 2 BPs and I only think that both would exist if there was a Vigilante. That's my opinion on it.

So I think that one BP is lying meaning that IaI being Vig isn't as viable as it sounds.

Banana seemed obvious town for me. Sala being pushy for me was fine. He was looking more at the bigger picture and trying to resolve the day with a better lynch. Although I don't agree with his opinion on the FN's not being lynched until late in the game, I can see it being town minded.

[Vedith]

Mokay. Your suggestions?

I'm actually struggling to think how this helps aside from avoiding PRs but explain that.

CDB
Luna
Titus
FA

I suggest that we go by these 4 names.
I don't believe that there are 2 FN's. If they fake a claim with another, then that's 3 scum found once revealed.

[talah]

Mokay. Your suggestions?

I'm actually struggling to think how this helps aside from avoiding PRs but explain that.

CDB
Luna
Titus
FA

I suggest that we go by these 4 names.
I don't believe that there are 2 FN's. If they fake a claim with another, then that's 3 scum found once revealed.

If you're talking about Friendly Neighbour targets then you need to get FAQ out of there since he's an easy strongman PR.
I don't care if scum are targets.

Because I don't believe that there are 2 BPs and I only think that both would exist if there was a Vigilante. That's my opinion on it.

So I think that one BP is lying meaning that IaI being Vig isn't as viable as it sounds.

So you're saying that (one of the BP claims and the vig) is likely scum.

[Vedith]

If you're talking about Friendly Neighbour targets then you need to get FAQ out of there since he's an easy strongman PR.
I don't care if scum are targets.

Well what other name? I'm thinking that 4 names will be better. Scum will look at trying to make the FN visit pool smaller, so we could possibly be relying on just 2 of these names alive tomorrow. At least with 4 it can pressure them to make a different kill rather than focus on the pool of choices.

[Vedith]

So you're saying that (one of the BP claims and the vig) is likely scum.

Yup, that's my view on it.

[talah]

If you're talking about Friendly Neighbour targets then you need to get FAQ out of there since he's an easy strongman PR.
I don't care if scum are targets.

Well what other name? I'm thinking that 4 names will be better. Scum will look at trying to make the FN visit pool smaller, so we could possibly be relying on just 2 of these names alive tomorrow. At least with 4 it can pressure them to make a different kill rather than focus on the pool of choices.

CDB
Luna
Titus
Firebird
Performer
VeeGee

I'd include myself in there but Titus doesn't want me in there for some fucking unknowable reason.
We could consider allowing the FNs to cross-confirm but it's probably a bad idea. Not that I think both-scum is a particularly viable situation.

Is there some advantage to being a FN target? Like as scum or town you still have to confirm unless you go into 1v1 closer to lylo...

[Vedith]

Of course there is an advantage, it tells us if an FN is lying. Or at least leads us closer to a scum team.
Cross checking is pointless, as scum can kill the real one and then the fake one can say he got a FN and sent one. (doubtful, but pointless for us to do).

Not happy with VeeGee on the list personally. Performer I'm okay with, so we should go with those 4 names. Anyone agree/object?

[talah]

Of course there is an advantage, it tells us if an FN is lying. Or at least leads us closer to a scum team.

No I mean is there any advantage for scum to being the target of a FN message, unless it's fake?
Obviously if you get a FN message I don't know if you're town. You still have to confirm the message if it came from town, even if you're scum.
Other option is it's scum confirming fake scum FN message.
Am I missing anything?

[talah]

Oh and okay, VeeGee can be removed as he already got a message apparently.

[Vedith]

No I mean is there any advantage for scum to being the target of a FN message, unless it's fake?
Obviously if you get a FN message I don't know if you're town. You still have to confirm the message if it came from town, even if you're scum.
Other option is it's scum confirming fake scum FN message.
Am I missing anything?

Well, as I said, when found out it would give us an extra name if scum lie. That would make 3 confirmed scum.

The tracker can also follow one of them and then after the results, if something seems odd pipe up. It's a pretty good strategy I think.

[talah]

Okay I'm just going to be happy with that list at this stage.

CDB
Luna
Titus
Firebird
Performer

Any objections to these being FN targets from FNs or Town?

[Vedith]

By Firebird do you mean Firebringer?
If so, I'm happy with that.

[talah]

Possibly one less than that if we lynch one of them.

Actually add IaI in there as well? No reason for him not to be included imo.


Ima out for the night I've been here for too long tonight.

[talah]

Yeah FireBoy. The guy who replaced Sal and hasn't posted since and who might be lynched today.

[Luna Fox]

Tinfoil: Scum no killed last night, that's why Aj's entrance was fake claiming doc as it was part of the night kill gambit.

Tinfoil 2: Scum IaI shot talah and wanted to out who interfered with IaI's shot, this scenario makes FAQ town, which means Aj is lying scum.

Both scenarios imply Aj scum.
So my vote stays on Aj.

[Aj The Epic]

Scenario two has nothing to do with me luna. That claim would only undermine my own and would not be made if IaI was on my scumteam.

[Titus]

Possibly one less than that if we lynch one of them.

Actually add IaI in there as well? No reason for him not to be included imo.


Ima out for the night I've been here for too long tonight.

IAI is a PR, so he cannot get the message.
Performer wierds me out with his buddying, so he cannot get the message.


The rest of that pool is ok by me.

[Luna Fox]

Scenario two has nothing to do with me luna. That claim would only undermine my own and would not be made if IaI was on my scumteam.

See for instance.
Scum tries to kill talah.
No one dies.
You claim Doctor to try to fish out the real Doctor.
No one counter claims.
IaI steps in and fishes out FAQ as a BP Bodyguard (True that FAQ did claim on his own, but the objective was that IaI wanted to know who interfered with their kill).

Although yeah, it's probably a weird scenario that would necessisate the scum team to be dumb and put 2 of their members out in the open, so probably not the case.

[Luna Fox]

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