Newbie 1656 : Game Over

Sakura Hana · Post Post #425 (ISO) » Thu Oct 15, 2015 4:20 pm

In post 424, Ether wrote:(And related to that, if Sakura's actually sincere about wanting to lynch me over goodmorning now, that makes no sense. If she's so sure that goodmorning's scum because of her weird townread, and that the only reason I could possibly have a preference is because I'm scum with goodmorning, then obviously she should want to lynch goodmorning first.)

Have i ever switched my vote off GM? I haven't.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #426 (ISO) » Thu Oct 15, 2015 4:21 pm

If you're so sure i'm scum then how about my offer?
My life for yours. If i flip town.

Ether · Post Post #427 (ISO) » Thu Oct 15, 2015 4:21 pm

Did you even read my post?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #428 (ISO) » Thu Oct 15, 2015 4:22 pm

Yes i did

Sakura Hana · Post Post #429 (ISO) » Thu Oct 15, 2015 4:23 pm

Your vote is on me coz im the scummiest, and it's not on goodmorning because it's based on associatives. I have independt scumreads on both of you but there's also the associative i found earlier.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #430 (ISO) » Thu Oct 15, 2015 4:23 pm

I'm fully willing to self-vote if you agree to get lynched tomorrow if i flip town, wanna take the risk?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #431 (ISO) » Thu Oct 15, 2015 4:27 pm

Did my proposal caught you off-guard? I bet it did. Think it over, I have time.

Ether · Post Post #432 (ISO) » Thu Oct 15, 2015 4:33 pm

There's no way in hell I'd sincerely take that kind of deal with the intentions of seeing it through if I were wrong. I could probably agree now and I still doubt I'd actually be lynched if you did flip town, but it would be dishonest and kind of dumb. And I think you already knew I'd say that.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #433 (ISO) » Thu Oct 15, 2015 4:38 pm

In post 432, Ether wrote:And I think you already knew I'd say that.

I actually didn't, and I actually like this answer more than either of the 2 i was expecting, why don't you help me lynch GM? She's faking her read on me.

Ether · Post Post #434 (ISO) » Thu Oct 15, 2015 6:23 pm

Eh. I might.

I'm...kind of stunned that that's what gave you pause in the end, but for now I think I'm flipping back to my between reads state anyway. If you're town, please count this as a vote against that experimental playstyle.

unvote

Sakura Hana · Post Post #435 (ISO) » Thu Oct 15, 2015 6:34 pm

In post 434, Ether wrote:If you're town, please count this as a vote against that experimental playstyle.

My experimental playstyle has actually been getting me good results, you just can't see it because it's been done in a secret alt. I wanted to try it here, but i ended up getting bored.

LoHa · Post Post #436 (ISO) » Thu Oct 15, 2015 11:19 pm

In post 276, MoosyDoosy wrote:Then in this case, LoHa's RQS was terrible. For some reason he picked out one of the later people to misinterpret goodmorning's posts, said it was somehow good, and went on to create a WIFOM based conversation out of it. WIFOM is something that is easily made up so I don't even see why a conversation should revolve around it and his conversation was based off of a misunderstanding in the first place. So no, his RQS should not be interpreted as townie in any way whatsoever. The fact that he tries to continue with it even after learning that the premise of his questioning was false is not something I like either.

You should realize by now that this is a misunderstanding on your part. So, what is your vote on me based on?

LoHa · Post Post #437 (ISO) » Thu Oct 15, 2015 11:26 pm

In post 326, OceanWind wrote:
In post 325, goodmorning wrote:Could you put your reads in list form so they're easier to find?

Not at this point. Many more people look scummy than there are mafia in the game which means I'm definitely reading some townies incorrectly as mafia.

Cheeky thing for mafia to say. If I'd know you personally I could tell your alignment using this exclusively.

LoHa · Post Post #438 (ISO) » Thu Oct 15, 2015 11:30 pm

In post 417, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 415, Mightymandarin wrote:Then if Sakura flipped town, how would Ether talk herself out of that?

Well i already know i'd flip town soooo...

Tell you what, i'll even self vote if you guys unanimously lynch Ether tomorrow ^_^

Looks artificial. Sakura - Mandarin scumteam? Nah, couldn't be. Or could it? Cheeky thing to say if I was scum. If you'd know me personally you could tell... Hmm deja-vu.

LoHa · Post Post #439 (ISO) » Thu Oct 15, 2015 11:32 pm

Sakura likes votes on her so why not keep it interesting for her.

VOTE: Sakura

goodmorning · Post Post #440 (ISO) » Fri Oct 16, 2015 2:26 am

In post 415, Mightymandarin wrote: Then if Sakura flipped town, how would Ether talk herself out of that?

I don't like this.

In post 433, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 432, Ether wrote:And I think you already knew I'd say that.

I actually didn't, and I actually like this answer more than either of the 2 i was expecting, why don't you help me lynch GM? She's faking her read on me.

What other answer would any experienced player in her right mind give?
Still not fake. Can we all try and understand that I don't tend to meta on the surface level?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #441 (ISO) » Fri Oct 16, 2015 4:02 am

In post 439, LoHa wrote:Sakura likes votes on her so why not keep it interesting for her.

VOTE: Sakura

Look at that opportunism.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #442 (ISO) » Fri Oct 16, 2015 4:03 am

In post 440, goodmorning wrote:What other answer would any experienced player in her right mind give?

I would expect a scum player to flat out say no, the added part from Ether actually made me feel better about her because it sounded honest.
I would expect a town player to agree (if Ether had agreed i wouldn't have forced her to follow suit, after all, scum doesn't make risky gambles like that because they need to earn 2 mislynches for every member they lose)

Sakura Hana · Post Post #443 (ISO) » Fri Oct 16, 2015 4:05 am

VOTE: LoHa
I'm thinking of going back here, mostly for the opportunism, but partly because maybe GM is town.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #444 (ISO) » Fri Oct 16, 2015 4:08 am

In post 440, goodmorning wrote:Still not fake. Can we all try and understand that I don't tend to meta on the surface level?

So real talk: What exactly do you see towny in my play? I've been lazy all game and if anything that would most likely mean im scum than town due to the meta you so talk about.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #445 (ISO) » Fri Oct 16, 2015 4:08 am

And if you say because me seriously questioning an RVS vote, i do that as either alignment.

goodmorning · Post Post #446 (ISO) » Fri Oct 16, 2015 4:25 am

In post 442, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 440, goodmorning wrote:What other answer would any experienced player in her right mind give?

I would expect a scum player to flat out say no, the added part from Ether actually made me feel better about her because it sounded honest.
I would expect a town player to agree (if Ether had agreed i wouldn't have forced her to follow suit, after all, scum doesn't make risky gambles like that because they need to earn 2 mislynches for every member they lose)

Why would Town agree to be lynched if you flipped Town? 2 Town lynches means LyLo. That would be a truly terrible thing to agree to.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #447 (ISO) » Fri Oct 16, 2015 4:30 am

In post 446, goodmorning wrote:Why would Town agree to be lynched if you flipped Town? 2 Town lynches means LyLo. That would be a truly terrible thing to agree to.

Mostly because Town is more carefree (Careless?) and less cautious than scum. This is an old tell tho, I read about it like what, back in 2013? I used it everytime there was someone so certain that i'd flip scum despite me knowing that wouldn't be the case and i always challenged them with that gamble. This felt like a good chance to try it again.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #448 (ISO) » Fri Oct 16, 2015 4:34 am

Basically it came from the fact that a scum looking for a mislynch knows what i'll flip and would flat out reject due to it being bad for their numbers, while a towny that's certain i'll flip scum had nothing to lose because they were that certain i'd flip scum.

Ether · Post Post #449 (ISO) » Fri Oct 16, 2015 4:51 am

I like a LoHa lynch better than a goodmorning lynch, which I know is getting predictable but there you go.

[url=http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=7296864#p7296864]Post 323[/url], goodmorning wrote:The way she was trying to sort me. It's not something she couldn't do as Scum, but I feel pretty comfortable calling her Town for it atm.

[url=http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=7298107#p7298107]Post 337[/url], goodmorning wrote:It's not something she couldn't do as Scum. The way in which it was done, though, feels Town based on what I know of Sakura.

[url=http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=7303203#p7303203]Post 378[/url], goodmorning wrote:Some things are easy to change, some things aren't.

But yeah, I don't really get this whole progression either.

For what it's worth, if that kind of deal could be enforced somehow, I'm pretty sure I still would never take it in any game, outside of role-based reasons or possibly just plain wanting to die.

(And even then I'd probably be more likely to accept a lynch as a valid way out as scum--as town I'm kind of vain about my track record, I can just afford not to let it show. But again, it's been six years since I've even had a scum game, so take that with a grain of salt.)

Goodmorning's right about that--it's just not my kind of personality! I can get deeper into the theory there.