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[talah]

We need pools for the FN but we need them to be as broad as possible while avoiding folks that might be killed cuz of PR.

That said, I forgot about strongman potential (was just looking at who gets killed who doesn't) and you're correct. You shouldn't be in the FN pool.

Which actually takes the pools back to what Vedith said with the caveat you won't be included regardless (copying and bolding from Vedith here, sounds fine to me)

FN's go to

CDB
Luna
Titus
FB
Performer

If any lynched from here then add FAQ

FAQ is not added as FN recipient due to strongman kill

Vig to

Vedith
Talah
VeeGee

==

Any other objections

[Vedith]

I'm happy.
Out of the names to lynch, I prefer Performer. IaI could be a good asset if vig and FB/Sala/Banana has been my strongest town read all game.

[talah]

IaI could be a good asset if vig

Patently incorrect, but mokay.

[talah]

Summary on your Firebringer slot read?

[Performer]

Okay

FN's go to
CDB
Luna
Titus
FB
Performer

If any lynched from here then add FAQ

Vig to

Vedith
Talah
VeeGee

I think that this plan is good enough.

Ved, how come you're putting yourself into the Vig pool? If there's one thing consistent in my town game, it's that I don't appreciate people suiciding, like self votes. It's not pro-town, we're losing extra power.

Has CDB come in this week since Sunday, at all?? Taking another look at his ISO.

FB, have you ISO'd Titus?

None at all.
Read last few pages with her pushing me and it seemed like arrogant town thought than scum.


I don't know Titus scum play so theres that.

She seems to like control in her scum play.

I'm happy.
Out of the names to lynch, I prefer Performer. IaI could be a good asset if vig and FB/Sala/Banana has been my strongest town read all game.

How come? Why is he your "strongest" townread?
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@tal no objections to the pools

[Performer]

After tal's sharp point of taking a critical look at people who defended me, I did an ISO of CDB. The guy's a compelling writer.
Saw a couple things in his posts that looked puzzling.

Going to delve into the game where he was Town JK , where he jailkept someone on n1 ( I believe it was the Vig or the Vig target, I forget who of the two). Something looks different in his behavior between that one and this one, something subtle perhaps, like SilverWolf's scum game and her town game.

[Performer]

Since the deadline is on standstill, I thought it was interesting to go a bit into another meta of CDB's - Mini 1485 (link below):
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

Titus & Aj were in it too.

[Vedith]

Ved, how come you're putting yourself into the Vig pool? If there's one thing consistent in my town game, it's that I don't appreciate people suiciding, like self votes. It's not pro-town, we're losing extra power.

How is it town of me to say, Vig, shoot any of these names that aren't me, and FN don't visit me.
It's putting my money where my mouth is, or whatever the saying is.

If the excuse is they shot me and someone healed me, I'm going to be suspicious as anything.

Also, I'll get to FB town read later (although it's more from Sala and Banana).

[Firebringer]

I thought you would town read me Vedith because you liked me ;(

[Vedith]

The issue is, we are in so many games together, I read you wrong nearly 100% of the time, and we both know that you are really good at adapting your play. So I'm trying to go by my read of Banana and Sala.

[Firebringer]

Yeah....we really should Hydra some game or something so we aren't fighting each other for half the game lol.

[Aj The Epic]

@IaI

Yeah CDB and Thezmon (slot I replaced into) were under heavy scrutiny. It was a super uncomfortable game and I try not to think about that one too much.

[Titus]

We need pools for the FN but we need them to be as broad as possible while avoiding folks that might be killed cuz of PR.

That said, I forgot about strongman potential (was just looking at who gets killed who doesn't) and you're correct. You shouldn't be in the FN pool.

Which actually takes the pools back to what Vedith said with the caveat you won't be included regardless (copying and bolding from Vedith here, sounds fine to me)

FN's go to

CDB
Luna
Titus

FB
Performer

If any lynched from here then add FAQ

FAQ is not added as FN recipient due to strongman kill

Vig to

Vedith

Talah

VeeGee

==

Any other objections

If someone FNs FB or Performer or Vigs you, I am vote parking them

[TheWorst]

FB, have you ISO'd Titus?

None at all.
Read last few pages with her pushing me and it seemed like arrogant town thought than scum.


I don't know Titus scum play so theres that.

She seems to like control in her scum play.

If someone FNs

FB or Performer

or Vigs you, I am vote parking them

That's actually something interesting that I found for once.

Anyway, I agree to those pools, Talah.

[Titus]

I do like control regardless of alignment. Scum are going to want their buddies in the pool if an FN is fake, so that's suspicious that Talah wants the FN pool to include scummy players.

Meanwhile, the town should control any outed vig if there's a concern they aren't town and just using the vig as their scumkill.

[talah]

Scum are going to want their buddies in the pool if an FN is fake, so that's suspicious that Talah wants the FN pool to include scummy players.

No, that's not suspicious at all Titus and the failure to grasp the mechanics of the plan is something else that's worrying me about you at times.

If one FN is fake then I'm absolutely happy for them - at this stage of the game - to send another of their buddies a message. Because it flags 3 members of the scumteam as soon as the scum FN dies.

The important part is preserving the transmitting of the message. Not making sure it goes to town.

We're probably looking at a 3-scun 1-SK setup here.

Anyway /workpost

[Titus]

And they're going to claim dead guy role blocked or limited shot. No point in helping scum by having scummy choices to pick from. Make them use the bullshit excuses.

[Aj The Epic]

Then at least add Talah to the FN pool and throw both FB and Performer into the vig one.

[Titus]

No. Yes.

[talah]

No and no.

Vedith's got the balls to put himself into the vig pool and so do I. IaI has already stated he won't be vigging Performer. If he wants to waste a "vig" on me then he'd better have some better reasoning when I flip than "Your vote bounced from Performer to me and back to Performer" and "You were on the Zakk wagon". Vigilantes are supposed to be town-motivated. If he's not, he's probably not a vig.

The FN pool is already narrow enough. We exlude all PRs because it's a double-win for scum if they kill both a PR and a recipient of an FN message. So we force them to make a choice.

Regarding scummy players being in the FN pool, see my post directly before this (and several other on the matter). Need I remind you that we don't yet have a kill from scum to make a better judgement about this. Tomorrow should be more enlightening and I hope town will continue to reamain fairly circumspect about possible roles and claims, and making the best decisions that we can based on what we *know*.

The pool is fine as is unless anyone else has feedback.

[talah]

VOTECOUNT TWO POINT TIN

AJ THE EPIC - 3 - FA_Q2, I AM INNOCENT, CHANNELDELIBIRD,
FIREBRINGER - 3 - LUNA FOX, PERFORMER, TITUS,
VEEGEE - 2 - VEDITH, FIREBRINGER,
I AM INNOCENT - 2 - TALAH, SKYBIRD,
VEDITH - 1 - AJ THE EPIC,
TALAH - 1 - FIREBRINGER,

NOT VOTING: THEWORST, VEEGEE,

DEADLINE: ON HOLD AT 2 DAYS UNTIL REPLACEMENT FOUND

WITH 13 ALIVE IT TAKES 7 TO LYNCH

REPLACING VEEGEE UNLESS HE REAPPEARS

@Molla-mod - actually you might want to double check this entire VC because I don't think Firebird's voting me but I think I Am Innocent is

@IaI

Yeah CDB and Thezmon (slot I replaced into) were under heavy scrutiny. It was a super uncomfortable game and I try not to think about that one too much.

^I think you were responding to Performer here. He changed his avatar.

[BBmolla]

fixed hopefully

i need to invest in an automatic vote counter

[talah]

Thank you kind sir.

[Skybird]

I'm OK with both pools.

[Vedith]

Yeah....we really should Hydra some game or something so we aren't fighting each other for half the game lol.

That sounds like a plan!