Newbie 1656 : Game Over

[MoosyDoosy]

So what do you think of LoHa?

[Nobody Special]

OceanWind has been prodded.

[Nobody Special]

Votecount 1.12

LoHa - 3 - goodmorning, lordj210, MoosyDoosy
lordj210 - 1 - SilverWolf
MoosyDoosy - 1 - Sakura Hana
Sakura Hana - 1 - LoHa
SilverWolf - 1 - OceanWind

Not Voting: Mightymandarin, Ether

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2015-10-22 07:40:38)

V/LA: Sakura Hana, through Saturday October 17; goodmorning through Sunday October 18

[goodmorning]

1. It's entirely possible there is no BP, or that the real BP/Doc doesn't want to CC.
2.

Unvote

While I reread. I'm not crazy about the idea of lynching a claimed PR, but it's the least confirmable PR there is and LoHa's been scummy enough that it's at least an even chance.

[SilverWolf]

So what do you think of LoHa?

If you can't figure that out from my last post, I don't know what more I can tell you.

[Ether]

I don't really understand why you think he's more likely to be town for the claim, SilverWolf.

(Also, generally I think of fakeclaiming as being less about surviving and more about guaranteeing a dead/blocked power role on the way down. But it varies.)

I want to reiterate that a cop

should not counterclaim until tomorrow

. I don't think a doctor should either, because whether it can protect or not, even its existence forces the scumteam to secondguess its kill target.

[goodmorning]

Yeahhhh I think my vote is going back.

Vote: LoHa

Also, what Sakura said about claiming is correct.

[MoosyDoosy]

Yeahhhh I think my vote is going back.

Vote: LoHa

Also, what Sakura said about claiming is correct.

Answer my questionsss. What are your town/null reads and plz explain why.

[SilverWolf]

Why are we lynching a claimed PR with no cc in a newbie game?

If he's town, we are doing scum's job for them. If he's scum, then he will very likely get cc'd.

I do not get this at all.

[Ether]

There's a 2/3rds chance that there is no bulletproof in this setup to counterclaim. A cop shouldn't counterclaim and a doctor shouldn't either; trackers and gaolers are compatible with the claim. It's true that there's only a 1/6th chance that he's lying and there's no role in this setup that COULD counterclaim him, but that isn't the framework we're working with.

Also, we aren't actually lynching him yet. We are assuming he's scum, and we'll lynch based on likely partners.

[Ether]

I'm leaning toward Mightymandarin being that likely partner, by the way.

[SilverWolf]

I could go with a MightMandarin lynch but it would be based on me thinking there's a chance he's scum and not because of any possible associations with LoHa.

[SilverWolf]

@MightyMandarin-You never answered my question about why you think I'm playing the newbie card. You basically FoS'd myself, Sakura, and Ether in 363 are your reads the same now?

[Ether]

That's fine!

The exchange that started in 540 just felt off to me. There's a part of me that even thinks it's

too

obvious, but I'm willing to take the bait.

(Not before we either have OceanWind back or get a new OceanWind, though.)

[Mightymandarin]

Yes, my reads are the same. I guess I didn't read your post carefully enough to see you've been on here a year. I just read the part about you having AT LEAST 3 games. Also, when I posted that I thought there were 3 mafia in this game.
Now I'm getting the same problem I had in my last games: the more I post the scummier I seem. I DON'T think LoHa is scum, he's just too obvious.
Why are the people who are playing well as town assumed to be town? Scum can scumhunt, can't they?
I'm leaning most towards Ether and Sakura still.

[Ether]

Doc is the ONLY PR I would ever consider fakeclaiming as scum because there is one set-up where you might be able to get away with it and this guy didn't because he was scummy in the first place and the cop was already dead. Fakeclaiming 1-shot BP or any other PR would be stupid. You will def get a CC sooner or later if you avoid the lynch either by an actual 1-shot BP or a cop or doc. There is one set-up where it might work with the JK only but I still wouldn't do it unless the JK is out already. If LoHa is scum, he won't last. If he's town, then it would be incredibly stupid to mislynch him.

This doesn't really make sense. Doctor and bulletproof are both claims with one setup where you can get away with it, and bulletproof is probably the more survivable one for scum. (Assuming you're going for survivability at all.)

[Sakura Hana]

Why are we lynching a claimed PR with no cc in

an open

game?

Fixed that for you.
Yeah the thing with the setup being open is that it makes it harder for scum to fake claim anything but VT unless they are drawning a PR (Which is a risky play), if it was a closed setup LoHa's claim would've done nothing for me. Yes i still think he could be scum, yes i also think he could be scum lying, but it is not, the way to go if there's no cc imo.

Although granted, im doing this also because this is usually the correct play with an uncc'd claim, and i think trying to lynch a claimed PR when there's no cc is the wrong thing to be teaching to newbies

UNVOTE:
For now.

Ether i know your continous talk about Daytalk being a thing, is good for scumhunting BUT it's based on pre-flip associatives, why can't you just have indepent scumreads instead of "He's not being coached, ergo his partner must be a newbie" why can't it be "He's not being coached ERGO HE'S NOT SCUM" (Occam's razor is a thing you know)

[Ether]

Because his claim is scummy and he's playing like scum?

[Ether]

I also think Mightymandarin makes sense as scum anyway, that's just what reminded me that he existed.

[Call of the Wild]

You originally said you saw SW as town. Could you reiterate what has changed your mind, Moosy?

I will. I'm still wondering why Moosy is "all up for the Silver Wolf lynch," as he just made one post about her saying she posted self-consciously.

Yeah, address this Moosey.

You said this.

o

goodmorning

- town. good morning to you. Posts freely and shares thoughts, pressures points, and dealt with pressure nicely.

SilverWolf

- town. Actively asking questions and sharing opinion freely.

Ether

- town lean. Posts freely and seems to be pursuing what she wants. Only off-putting thing was when she lay a trap for a reaction by voting for LoHa and nobody reacted to it so she had to pursue it awkwardly by herself.

Mightymandarin

- town lean primarily because he's a newbie, but be wary. I don't like how he came into the thread trumpeting that he was a newbie and I'd like to see whether he keeps pulling the newbie card or not.

And later this.

@OceanWind
Yeh, I’m not up for a SilverWolf lynch today. I think you might be getting tunneled and you’re reaching a bit. Not to mention SilverWolf was actually fairly active and not being minimal at all so I don’t really see where you’re coming from.

And now you are saying I should be lynched. So explain the change. If its about my post about GM, I already addressed that. If it's about me being scum with LoHa, then that's ridiculously stupid. If you are town then you are not making sense.

[SilverWolf]

You originally said you saw SW as town. Could you reiterate what has changed your mind, Moosy?

I will. I'm still wondering why Moosy is "all up for the Silver Wolf lynch," as he just made one post about her saying she posted self-consciously.

Yeah, address this Moosey.

You said this.

o

goodmorning

- town. good morning to you. Posts freely and shares thoughts, pressures points, and dealt with pressure nicely.

SilverWolf

- town. Actively asking questions and sharing opinion freely.

Ether

- town lean. Posts freely and seems to be pursuing what she wants. Only off-putting thing was when she lay a trap for a reaction by voting for LoHa and nobody reacted to it so she had to pursue it awkwardly by herself.

Mightymandarin

- town lean primarily because he's a newbie, but be wary. I don't like how he came into the thread trumpeting that he was a newbie and I'd like to see whether he keeps pulling the newbie card or not.

And later this.

@OceanWind
Yeh, I’m not up for a SilverWolf lynch today. I think you might be getting tunneled and you’re reaching a bit. Not to mention SilverWolf was actually fairly active and not being minimal at all so I don’t really see where you’re coming from.

And now you are saying I should be lynched. So explain the change. If its about my post about GM, I already addressed that. If it's about me being scum with LoHa, then that's ridiculously stupid. If you are town then you are not making sense.

Hi, This is me!!

[Mightymandarin]

And reading back I realize I've kind of looked over Goodmorning who now seems kind of suspicious to me. She has answered my newbie questions politely, but her posts to other people seem mostly defensive. Then again, I suppose that's just the nature of this game, the more you talk, the more likely people are to pressure you, see how you react.

[SilverWolf]

Doc is the ONLY PR I would ever consider fakeclaiming as scum because there is one set-up where you might be able to get away with it and this guy didn't because he was scummy in the first place and the cop was already dead. Fakeclaiming 1-shot BP or any other PR would be stupid. You will def get a CC sooner or later if you avoid the lynch either by an actual 1-shot BP or a cop or doc. There is one set-up where it might work with the JK only but I still wouldn't do it unless the JK is out already. If LoHa is scum, he won't last. If he's town, then it would be incredibly stupid to mislynch him.

This doesn't really make sense. Doctor and bulletproof are both claims with one setup where you can get away with it, and bulletproof is probably the more survivable one for scum. (Assuming you're going for survivability at all.)

Sakura said it better than I did in 566. The chance of a cc is too high in this setup and there hasn't been one.

[Mightymandarin]

I also think Mightymandarin makes sense as scum anyway, that's just what reminded me that he existed.

You're really jumping around from claim to claim about different people. Just an observation.

[Mightymandarin]

I guess I shouldn't use "claim," rather "pressuring" or whatever.