Mini 471: End.

[pickemgenius]

Why was Kravkhen the scum's night kill?

I just don't like NK talk.

Reminder

: Unless your role permits you to talk about the game outside of the thread, you may not.

I think that was what you did that for. If not ignore this.

[NabakovNabakov]

ChronX: Allow me to introduce you to a little concept called WIFOM. Speculations about when, how, why, or where the scum did something aren't exactly prohibited, but they rarely lead anywhere conclusive. The scum could have killed him because he was on to one of them. OR the scum could have killed him because he was "on to" a lot of people, many of whom might be townies. BUT the scum might have already considered that we'd think that, so they thought it would be perfect cover for killing him if he really

was

on to one of them.

Do you see how that can go on forever in an endless yet completely unproductive cycle? The scum did what the scum did, and we won't know why until the game is over.

[ChronX]

Yes. The town lynching Adel becasue someone had a metagame issue with her and cross gamed was much more productive for the town. Thats getting a free pass too, since it would be "WIFOM" to suggest that maybe ABR did that with the EXCUSE that it was metagame but really it was game driven.

WIFOM is thrown around too much...the whole early game is WIFOM. Its a game of logic and deception.

The other site where I play we study NKs just as much as voting patterns. I didn't know that was an offense which gets the mod to interject himself into the thread here; I thought "discussions outside the game" meant PMing someone and I would never do that.

[NabakovNabakov]

I'm not sure what the mod was on about there, but it could have been something somebody said in a discussion forum. Like I said, it's not an official offense per-se, but most people have agreed that it doesn't really get you anywhere. WIFOM might be overused in some quarters (we're much more... cautious on this site), but NK analysis is pretty much it's epitome.

[Sir Tornado]

Cronx: I don't think the mod's warning was to not discuss the NKs IN thread... that is completely legal.

NKs are ordered by the scum, so if the town decides what to do or what not to do based on the NKs, the scum can manipulate the discussions. Having said that, we do learn a lot of things from NKs.

BTW, I don't think your second doc/back up doc protecting the mafia target and vig getting Kravhen could be correct. I think I was the only person to suspect Kravhen D1, and I can assure you I am not a vig.

I like Cronx's post 595.

[NabakovNabakov]

Damn

Bye Patrick. That'll teach you to mix mafia and talking to people. *dons tinfoil hat*

I'm still awaiting conclusions from Theo, but I'm beginning to think that ChronX's comment about summary versus content had something to it. He also seems much too critical of his past self. I got lurker vibes from Camisade, but the way Theo has treated them seems over the top.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Uh...who talked with who.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'd bet my socks that scum Adel has something to do with this...

[Sir Tornado]

Adel is hardly ever in Scum chat...

[Albert B. Rampage]

Worse than that, I think we already lynched Adel and she was doc.

Anyway, where was I...oh yes, it must be pickem....always conniving in scumchat...

[Sir Tornado]

Ah, yes, this is, actually a good idea.

People who frequent scum chat and are playing this game:

Pickem
CTD
Sir T.

CTD was replaced by Haut Boy and then by Chronx, and is out of the game, but he still knows his role. It is likely he made a mistake and let his role slip out. Or, Pickem could.

So, I will just:

Vote: Chronx

[pickemgenius]

Ah, yes, this is, actually a good idea.

People who frequent scum chat and are playing this game:

Pickem
CTD
Sir T.

CTD was replaced by Haut Boy and then by Chronx, and is out of the game, but he still knows his role. It is likely he made a mistake and let his role slip out. Or, Pickem could.

na.


I kind of dig the vote on chronx.... in a weird gut wrenching wtf? kind of way.

[ChronX]

I would say that given the result, a vote on me, Patrick's comment on his leaving the game is rather out of bounds.

mod?

[pickemgenius]

I would say that given the result, a vote on me, Patrick's comment on his leaving the game is rather out of bounds.

mod?

/confused....

[ChronX]

To clarify, my prod of the

mod

is to suggest that this game is an official clusterfuck. The day 1 lynch was based entirely on poor sportsmanship and CROSSgaming not metagaming. Now we have a person in the game and either a current or former player discussing the game while it is active.

I personally think it should be abandoned. This is not because the vote went to me, but because someone drew a conclusion based on improperly received information, which was a post that the poster got improper information.

What a mess.

[pickemgenius]

To clarify, my prod of the

mod

is to suggest that this game is an official clusterfuck. The day 1 lynch was based entirely on poor sportsmanship and CROSSgaming not metagaming. Now we have a person in the game and either a current or former player discussing the game while it is active.

I personally think it should be abandoned. This is not because the vote went to me, but because someone drew a conclusion based on improperly received information, which was a post that the poster got improper information.

What a mess.

Umm....

Patrick never even mentioned anybody in his post at all.....

[pickemgenius]

UP TO PAGE 15 (and including!!!)

-Not a fan of post 208.By Blue Zebra, it rubs me the wrong way.

-I feel some of the CTD/Patrick interactions could be sucm distancing, but that's for later.

-

Here's what I have:

Unvote: Blue Zebra, Vote: Sir Tornado

. Dude, noncommittal is you! Going mostly off your post against kravhen, it seems you find him plenty suspiscious, so why the carp don't you vote for him?

-Weak reason for a vote imo.

-Post 282 makes me uneasy somewhat

If you sign up for a game you should do your best to win and help out your team.

So like... whose team is she on?

Blue Team

-quality answer here

[Blue Zebra]

Ah, yes, this is, actually a good idea.

People who frequent scum chat and are playing this game:

Pickem
CTD
Sir T.

CTD was replaced by Haut Boy and then by Chronx, and is out of the game, but he still knows his role. It is likely he made a mistake and let his role slip out. Or, Pickem could.

So, I will just:

Vote: Chronx

That wouldn't work, since the information slipped isn't necessarily that someone is scum. This is all very unethical besides.

[NabakovNabakov]

@ChronX: We don't have to shut down the game just because Sir T based a vote on a poor meta. It was a stupid, nay, scummy thing to do, but the show must go on. A lot of effort gets put into games, and shutting them down is avoided unless absolutely necessary.

FOS: Sir Tornado

for trying to spin an unfortunate incident into a bandwagon.

[Sir Tornado]

FOS: Sir Tornado for trying to spin an unfortunate incident into a bandwagon.

One vote is a bandwagon?

[theopor_COD]

Been prodded, still here just struggling with real life issues. I should get a spare hour tonight to catch up with my analysis.

[Atticus]

kravhen replaces deadscilent! Be jovial!

[NabakovNabakov]

FOS: Sir Tornado for trying to spin an unfortunate incident into a bandwagon.

One vote is a bandwagon?

Note the "trying." Your vote wasn't made on in-game reasons, so it couldn't have been used to punctuate arguments or apply pressure. (How is somebody supposed to defend themsevles against something like that?) I see no other explanation than a poor attempt at a wagon.


Welcome back Kravhen!

...maybe Adel can replace Patrick.

[pickemgenius]

kravhen replaces deadscilent! Be jovial!

/jovial

[Albert B. Rampage]

...I'll lynch her again.