Trouble in The Cougar's Den (Game over!)

[DeasVail]

VOTE COUNT

Firebringer (5): PeregrineV, HerryPanther, Performer, pisskop, Reasonably Rational
HerryPanther (1): TheWayItEnds
MonkeyMan576 (2): Nobody Special, Vedith
PeregrineV (1): MonkeyMan576
Performer (6): Heartless, BotLane, Cephrir, Kthxbye, Spiffeh, Maxous
Reasonably Rational (2): davesaz, Firebringer
TheWayItEnds (1): ika
Spiffeh (1): MattP
Not voting (1): Teridax

With

20

players alive, it takes

11

votes to lynch a player.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2015-11-05 02:59:10).

[Heartless]

i figured out that i can keep my fly up by using a key ring.

that was pretty significant.

oh and also we have wagons on performer and firebringer (bpc's slot).

personally, i'm waiting with bated breath for this big reveal from performer on why he voted bpc. the way he's made me wait for it, it should really tickle my funny bone.

[MattP]

they already did respond on their own. but even if they didn't, the case just sucked. people just lose interest in reads, that's how larges go. fuck, look at what happened w/ me and my bpc read in this game.

here, let's just get to the goddamn bottom of it once and for all. why would spiffeh letting go of reads scummy? just at the most basic level?

It's more so that I don't think Spiffeh is actually THINKING this game, which goes along with his posts lacking any content and which goes along with him forgetting his prior reads. I think if he was legitimately putting thought into the game he wouldn't be having inconsistencies in his reads. Both his lack of much content and his inconsistencies make me think he is not thinking about the game, as in not putting effort into scumhunting - that is NOT what I would expect of town-Spiffeh

you think spiffeh's posts lack content...?

i don't agree with that

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... ct[]=26341

This simply isn't anything comparable to his level of engagement as town. Prior to my pushing he had like 16 posts over 20 pages, almost all very short with minimal to no pushing on other players. That's not like Spiffeh.

Even in a vacuum, his play just in this game is so effortless. I guess we just don't agree right now.

[Heartless]

you know as well as i do that kind of meta is the worst.

[Spiffeh]

Yes because I must have the exact same level of engagement in all of my town games

Look at the middle few days of the game you linked and you'll see that I'm not exactly a beacon of productivity throughout.

When I find something compelling enough in here you'll get more of me dw

[Firebringer]

i figured out that i can keep my fly up by using a key ring.

that was pretty significant.

You can also just no wear anything with a zipper.
Think about it.

Or where just button ups. Although that looks odd.

[Heartless]

yeah... for a while i tried just wearing sweatpants.

people constantly mistook me for a meth dealer though so i had to stop.

[Vedith]

So Day 1 is still going?
Cool, I can read through everything and contribute.

Hey Vedith!!!!

About time you joined! =D
Hi FB! ^^

[Vedith]

I don't see that anything really significant has happened thus far. Can someone summarize for me if I missed something?

Oh, hey lurker scum!
Can I interest you in a self vote?

If not you, who do you think would be a good vote?

[Maxous]

VOTE COUNT

Firebringer (5): PeregrineV, HerryPanther, Performer, pisskop, Reasonably Rational
Performer (6): Heartless, BotLane, Cephrir, Kthxbye, Spiffeh, Maxous

With the exception of HP, that is actually a rather scummy wagon on Firebringer.

I don't have a problem with anybody on the Performer wagon

[Vedith]

With the exception of HP, that is actually a rather scummy wagon on Firebringer.

Are they all your scum reads (apart from HP), or do you mean that this wagon is scum driven?

[Maxous]

Firebringer (5): PeregrineV,

HerryPanther

, Performer, pisskop, Reasonably Rational

PV - null
Performer - scum
Piss - null
RR - scum

So yeah, I highly suspect the wagon is scum-driven as opposed to a very town-driven performer wagon

[Vedith]

Damn it, I had a post but it didn't send...
Lets do it again, just without the quotes.

But yeah I can see what you are saying. However, PV looks good town for me...
Originally I thought that Performer could have just been trying to push another wagon to get off his (an obvious null tell)... However, there were more productive wagons going then.
The vote as well is questioning the wagon and voting him in the same post.
He also tries to push Ika as scummy and when no one takes the bait, he changes his tune... A bit like this;

Opportunist accusation to Ika
People disagree
Town lean but scummy townbloc tactic for Ika
Town lean Ika

That's really testing the waters, I mean, he even has his trunks and goggles on for that.

UNVOTE: Monkey
VOTE: Performer

[Maxous]

his #310 + vote on BPC was just poor in general.

heartless was prob over-aggressive about it afterwards but the general point was correct, it looks like a scum giving a quota of stances to have without any sort of deep thought behind them nor any desire to be an influence on the town's direction

[Spiffeh]

I think RR's vote on Firebringer is really bad despite reading them as town previously.

It looked like he noticed a consensus of disdain for Firebringer's play and rushed a vote to be ahead of the crowd.

And Firebringer looks town to me rn

[Cephrir]

Why would he care about being ahead of the crowd if he's scum and knows Firebringer isn't?

[Spiffeh]

Like if he looks at the situation and thinks people will start voting for FB then he can vote first to avoid being caught by VCA or called out for wagoning.

His reason is shitty too

[Cephrir]

VCA is bullshit.

[Maxous]

Maybe RR are voting the counter-wagon to their scumbuddy Performer

but don't say that out loud, they'll nightkill you

[Kthxbye]

@MattP: Don't waste my uber town read on you and join the Performer wagon.

With Performer being a top contender for lead wagon and him laying super fucking low right now screams to me it's the best wagon for a scum D1 flip. If he was the ONLY wagon, I'd bet money he'd be in here defending himself. Good scum tactic to lurk while contending for lead wagon in the hopes people forget about you and move on....ESPECIALLY in large games where there's so much posting.....ESPECIALLY when there is a counter wagon to your on a person posting more than you. Lurking in the shadows till the wagon goes away is how I'm interpreting Performer's actions (or lack thereof) right now.

tl'dr: Performer is a good wagon, more need to join.

VCA is bullshit.

@Cephrir: How does that even make any sense? VCA is the ONLY factual information we have barring PRs. It's LITERALLY the only thing we have to go on that is solid, factual and can't be messed with by PR's redirecting, blocking, etc. How does the best info in the game equal bullshit to you? Yes, I'd like you to answer this.

[Cephrir]

I do not think it has any predictive abilities that actually correlate with alignments.

[Cephrir]

By the same token, astrophysics are quite factual, and have equally little relationship with role PM colors.

[Cephrir]

In case you're wondering because I do not want to even remotely have this conversation, this opinion is not alignment indicative for me

vca is garbage.

please don't use vca

Why not?

Because it's useless and stupid.

vca is garbage and if you push anything based on it, especially if that thing is me, i am going to get very angry

[PeregrineV]

Got cut off yesterday, but Firebringer is acceptable Bipolar replacement right now.

Vote: Perfomer

[MattP]

VOTE: Performer