Mini 1728: Circus Mafia (Game Over)

[Aristophanes]

I forgot Makara was a thing in this game...
(I know, I'm o e to talk.)

[Lapsa]

Mon Oct 19, 2015 2:40 pm
Mon Oct 19, 2015 9:44 pm
Wed Oct 21, 2015 6:37 pm

[toolenduso]

One or two of the votes on the wagon make me a little leery

Thought I'd expand on this. The main vote making me suspicious is Performer's. Which is because perf was already a scum suspect of mine and a member of the Triv wagon. His vote on BMR...

Blue’s ISO gives me a sour taste in the mouth.

VOTE: Blue

...has more or less gone unexplained.

Gimlear's vote also makes me a little nervous bc he was on the Triv wagon, but less than Perf's vote.

I still like a BMR lynch because I think BMR looks scummy and I know I could always be wrong about Perf (or that he could be a bussing buddy).

@Zulf: I'm pretty confident that a Trivium lynch is not happening today, and while I wouldn't mind an Aris lynch that one doesn't have a whole lot of steam right now. How do you feel about compromise lynches on D1?

[Zulfy]

Makara how you feeling about Aristophanes?
Garmr did you explain 143?
Performer, what's so genuine about JarJar's 153?

Pedit: Tool, I at least want BlueMoon to get the same amount of leniency that Trivium had during his wagon, I don't think he's had a chance to respond. I don't mind a lynch on him, but I'd much much much prefer a lynch on Trivium. I won't vote for him until I feel he's had a chance to respond. I don't get the scumreads on him, to me he seems null. So no vote from me until then.

[Zulfy]

Mon Oct 19, 2015 2:40 pm
Mon Oct 19, 2015 9:44 pm
Wed Oct 21, 2015 6:37 pm

Somebody explain this.

[toolenduso]

Mon Oct 19, 2015 2:40 pm
Mon Oct 19, 2015 9:44 pm
Wed Oct 21, 2015 6:37 pm

Somebody explain this.

Timestamps on Lapsa's posts before and after his prod. I think he's saying that he hasn't been

that

inactive.

As a side note, I have no idea what timezone he's in.

[Lapsa]

Somebody explain this.

Mario ain't prodding Blue

+2 gmt

[toolenduso]

Oh whoops I was wrong. And that explains it, I'm 10 hours behind you.

[Zulfy]

Thinking things over, I DO mind a lynch on bluemoon, he hasn't even been lurking, inactive is the better word.

[Zulfy]

Tool what makes Blue look scummy to you?

[toolenduso]

And then he goes and posts #210, in which he is directing play. There are a lot of scummy possibilities for this post, including coaching buddies, preemptively distancing himself from a mislynch and subtly trying to project an image of ignorance. The last sentence in particular bugs me because it seems like an afterthought; "Oh by the way I don't

really

know whether he's town."

[Zulfy]

Hmmmmmmmmmm
I'm Natalie Imbruglia

Seems to me like it's exactly the same as what I thought of Trivium. (Scummy-looking from one perspective, newbie innocence from the other)

Like I said, no lynchie until he gets back/is replaced on my end.

[Trivium]

Makara- Looking through my own ISO from an objective observant POV, I would read myself as a slightly more defensive than usual town player. I have asked questions, generated content, and had my own theories on many occasions.

[makara]

It's not just his inactivity it's the stuff he's posted

Vote: JarJar

For not baking down from an obviously bad position.

but Lapsa is also scummy.

He previously had his vote on Lapsa who he thought was scummy but he switches to JarJar because.... reasons???

Anyone who hammers without using the day I will hold personally responsible if there is a town flip. Even if it is a scum flip they will be scummy.

As I said before, LAMIST

Sorry it's been a busy week. Will post content tonight.

Then he promises content but delivers none at all.

I think the most likely scenario is that he's probably disinterested scum who is having trouble faking participating in scumhunting.

[makara]

I forgot Makara was a thing in this game...
(I know, I'm o e to talk.)

rude

Sorry about my inactivity though, I'm busy irl right now. My posting should increase as we get closer and closer to the weekend.

[makara]

Seems to me like it's exactly the same as what I thought of Trivium. (Scummy-looking from one perspective, newbie innocence from the other)

btw Im pretty sure he's an alt

[Garmr]

That...seems like an awfully strange thing for scum to do...

This just sounds so...awkward to me.

In what way?

Personally I think scum pushed tri up to l-1 on purpose to disarm his wagon because his scum. All that talk on hammering honestly seemed a bit staged who was the one talking about hammering again.

I've been thinking about this quote for a bit now because I was thinking it actually made Garmr look town by virtue of me not being able to think of a reason scum would say it. If Triv is town and Garmr is scum, scumGarmr might say this as a way to not only try to get townTriv lynched, but also set up a mislynch the next day on some town that was on the Triv wagon.

The quote doesn't really make sense to me from a perspective of Garmr and Triv being buddies.

I also see the townie reason for Garmr saying it, which is basically paranoia. But it does strike me as an odd thing to

assume

over other explanations for the L-1'ing of Triv.

You are basically putting into words what I feel about this whole Garmr thing. I feel the same way, and because I know I'm town, I also know that lynching me would be a mistake. I also have a twonread on a lot of the people voting me or that have voted me, so if I get lynched there are a lot of people I have townreads on that I suspect scum may go after day 2.

so what do you read me as here?

[Keyser Söze]

@BlueMoonRising, why are you neglecting this particular game?

If you are town, you're wasting town time.
Are you happy to be D1's lynch?

We only have about 6 days left, so we should start figuring out who we want to lynch today. I'm ok with lynching blue moon or triv.

I'm not comfortable with the BlueMoonRising lynch - the BlueMoonRising wagon feels like a lazy-lynch that I can see scum easily jumping on. The silver-lining of a BlueMoonRising lynch would be to strengthen my scum-lean reads of its voters. It feels like scum are happy for BlueMoonRising to be the D1 lynch.

Trivium? Do you have counter-arguments to the defence toolenduso has posted? (and that I now support).

Though really feel like Grayfox is more likely scum than either. Sucks that he's VLA for the majority of the day. Plus it's totally scummy to have a baby right when a wagon is forming on you .

Yes, very hard to scum-read a new dad. My emotions have been manipulated.

So why the heck are people townreading lapsa @ this point?

I am still waiting for results/conclusions. If town, I have a feeling scum will keep him alive for D2.

Soze, why does my pre-associative flip unnerve you? Why not mention it earlier?

This was your

second

post:

Toolenduso, Keyser and Lapsa for scumteam

Lapsa meaninglessly engaging Keyser, Keyser conveniently deciding this makes him town, Lapsa backing that notion up.

Wait no, scum's not gonna make it that easy.
If Toolenduso is townie, just being frank about Lapsa, then Lapsa's just bad at this day 1 thing. Keyser's townread on him is still weird tho.

If Keyser and Lapsa is scum, Keyser wouldn't be townreading him so quickly, you seem like a smart player Soze,

So Lapsa-scum and Keyser-scum are mutually exclusive.

If Toolenduso scum, it suggests Lapsa scum.

Personally, to line up scum-connections that early is unnerving. How about we do this after someone has been investigated/someone has flipped. Otherwise it is dangerous/harmful if you were to make decisions upon that analysis.

So the fact that it's my second post unnerves you? Do you disagree with any of the points I made in that post?

I agree with these points:
"you seem like a smart player Soze"
"Lapsa-scum and Keyser-scum are mutually exclusive"

Tool, I at least want BlueMoon to get the same amount of leniency that Trivium had during his wagon, I don't think he's had a chance to respond. I don't mind a lynch on him, but I'd much much much prefer a lynch on Trivium. I won't vote for him until I feel he's had a chance to respond. I don't get the scumreads on him, to me he seems null. So no vote from me until then.

Reading this as a pro-town suggestion.

[Garmr]

Makara how you feeling about Aristophanes?
Garmr did you explain 143?
Performer, what's so genuine about JarJar's 153?

Pedit: Tool, I at least want BlueMoon to get the same amount of leniency that Trivium had during his wagon, I don't think he's had a chance to respond. I don't mind a lynch on him, but I'd much much much prefer a lynch on Trivium. I won't vote for him until I feel he's had a chance to respond. I don't get the scumreads on him, to me he seems null. So no vote from me until then.

Yeh most of it was explained before hand in previous posts. No one really questioned me on it through so i thought it was kinda easy to see where i'm coming from.

[JarJarDrinks]

Yeah good luck with that.

Do you see any reason to think he's scum? I mean I don't think we should just give him a pass, but I see better candidates for scum to look at right now, and I just don't think we're going to get Lapsa to post something substantial by asking him to. Not during D1 anyway.

Yes, I think voting and giving reads w/o any reasoning is scummy. As well as lurking/prod dodging. I'm taking peoples words that I should put less stock into that for Lapsa cause of playstyle so I guess I'm not scumleaning as much as normally would. But nobody should be townreading him right now.

And like, are people saying that if votes start piling up on Lapsa he'd just walk willingly into the noose regardless of alignment? If so that's pretty shitty.

[JarJarDrinks]

I at least want BlueMoon to get the same amount of leniency that Trivium had during his wagon

But triv @ least is being active and posting stuff. He tried to defend himself. Bluemoon has 6 garbage posts including a promise to post more like 4 days ago. Exactly how much leniency should he be given?

[JarJarDrinks]

@BlueMoonRising, why are you neglecting this particular game?

Oh wow, I didn't even realize he was active elsewhere on the site. So he's purposefully avoiding this game. That's alot different than just being MIA.

VOTE: BlueMoonRising

That is L-1

[Keyser Söze]

Can we please wait for BlueMoonRising to post.

[toolenduso]

^agreed.

[JarJarDrinks]

For how long though? If he's showing up in other games and not posting here then he's purposefully avoiding the thread.

And what else to do while we wait? U guys are telling me that pressuring Lapsa is pointless. Greyfoxx is VLAd. I feel like there's not much more that can happen w/ triv to change anyone's stance there. Don't really feel like anyone else makes a good lynch today.