In post 683, Spiffeh wrote:Ok vote for someone you want to lynch then?
In post 684, Spiffeh wrote:Why are you so concerned with defending a slot but not even offering an alternative?
We vote when we have a rational reason to do so. That's literally the defining characteristic of my play, and Cerberus' play, and our play in this hydra. We use logic, question everything, do our absolute best to avoid cognitive biases and view the game as a puzzle to solve. I catch a lot of flack in various games for how infrequently I use my vote as a bludgeon (it's not a measure of first resort ... it's just NOT), and Cerb is even more reserved. Show me someone whose day one posting now looks scummy given the new info we have, and I'll be happy to evaluate. I'm already re-reading because that's where my strength is.
For example ... that page one thing is still bothering me. I am not wholly convinced that it was "just a joke". I think that if a wagon had actually formed on BotLane, it wouldn't have been called a "joke" later on.
As for defending a slot; I was going to say that I wasn't but then I realized that I actually am. Mastin may play this game in a way that is indecipherable to me, but Mastin has years and years of good results and after awhile it's just not a fluke. Scum Mastin is never lurky but plays with pure confidence and drives the game. That's weak evidence for this being town mastin, and town mastin is an asset... not a slot you lynch when you're clearing out lurkers.
In post 685, Cephrir wrote:In post 679, Reasonably Rational wrote:Why on earth is there a fast wagon building on Teridax?
And for the various {insert drug of choice here} heads who are high and think we are scum because X person who was scum reading us died during the night... you're seriously under estimating us. If I had to make a list of who I would have wanted to kill last night, accepting the necessary premises, I'm not even sure I would have added Maxous to the bottom of that list. Quiet universally town read person who for some reason thinks we're scum ... would never be our kill choice. I get that some folks are aren't yet convinced that our approach to the game has any merit, but please don't just outright insult our intelligence. We do actually have feelings. We're not just rational robots.
I know that speculation is just such; however, my guess would be that Maxous was killed by scum and Ika was killed by vig/3p. Ika was throwing up third party signals yesterday for some reason and since basically every third party role helps scum, it seems ridiculously unlikely that he was the scum kill. So the only real question is whether that was a zero vig kill or if we should expect two to die every night regularly. I'm not asking for anything, but if I were said zero vig and I had expended my shot and wasn't going to get another one, I would say something just to help folks out.
Sadly that is not our role and we have nothing useful to add just at the moment. Hopefully that will change.
But seriously ... what's up with the Teridax wagon? Is that just Mastin hate or did I miss something?
I'm sure you would like to know whether you should be worried about getting vigged
Yeah there's nothing good in this post
If it's a one-shot vig who screwed up, then speaking up is all positive town utility. They already screwed up the shot and it would be weak evidence that we're dealing with a single team and not multiple teams or a team plus a third party killer. I was pretty clear that I only thought it was a good idea for a vig who was now just VT to speak up. That gives town info and puts scum in the position of either leaving a high probability (from town perspective) town player in the game or killing what amounts to a VT. Forcing scum into choosing from choices that are all sub-optimal is really good. So why are you against it?
We're not in the least bit worried about being vigged. In fact ... a vig shooting us would accomplish absolutely nothing but wasting a vig shot. Maybe if you reset your priors and stopped reading anything we say in the most negative way possible due to absurd day 1 confirmation bias, you might actually accomplish something and be useful instead of tunneling us for not conforming to your ego.
In post 697, LicketyQuickety wrote:I have scum reads on:
Ved - because if meta primarily. (Its weak I know)
RR - because it looks like they might have something to lose
Spiffeh - because I really hated that initial "observation" and some is meta as well.
2+2 = 4. You should know what we have to "lose" if you are at all competent.
With Love and Affection,
Drixx
