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Post Post #5425 (ISO) » Sun Oct 25, 2015 6:07 am

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In post 5424, quadz08 wrote:I thought season three was korea v korea, I could be mistaken, didn't look it up

Uh, both S3 and S4 were Korea vs. China (although, considering SHRC had Zero and Insec in it at S4, I guess you wouldn't be completely wrong...)

S2-5 have all had a Korean team in the final, though.
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Post Post #5426 (ISO) » Sun Oct 25, 2015 6:10 am

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hm

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Post Post #5427 (ISO) » Sun Oct 25, 2015 6:19 am

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Post Post #5428 (ISO) » Sun Oct 25, 2015 6:46 am

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Season 2 had the best worlds
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Post Post #5429 (ISO) » Sun Oct 25, 2015 6:56 am

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I was watching vods a few days ago. And it really did. ZYRA JUNGLE IN QUARTERFINALS.
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Post Post #5430 (ISO) » Sun Oct 25, 2015 7:08 am

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In post 5425, Voidedmafia wrote:S2-5 have all had a Korean team in the final, though.


I'm pretty sure TPA isn't from Korea, but LMS.
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Post Post #5431 (ISO) » Sun Oct 25, 2015 7:09 am

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Also s2 worlds had the closest set of teams at the top. AZF/TPA/M5/CLG.EU are the closest match top 4 we've ever had
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Post Post #5432 (ISO) » Sun Oct 25, 2015 7:09 am

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In post 5430, animorpherv1 wrote:
In post 5425, Voidedmafia wrote:S2-5 have all had a Korean team in the final, though.


I'm pretty sure TPA isn't from Korea, but LMS.


They beat azubu frost in the final
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Post Post #5433 (ISO) » Sun Oct 25, 2015 7:18 am

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In post 5430, animorpherv1 wrote:
In post 5425, Voidedmafia wrote:S2-5 have all had a Korean team in the final, though.


I'm pretty sure TPA isn't from Korea, but LMS.

I said -
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Post Post #5434 (ISO) » Sun Oct 25, 2015 8:09 am

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Oh, I misread that. Sorry.
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Post Post #5435 (ISO) » Sun Oct 25, 2015 10:05 am

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Post Post #5436 (ISO) » Sun Oct 25, 2015 11:15 am

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I still think SKT had an easy group and an easy bracket. :shrugs:

It was a good worlds though I guess.
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Post Post #5437 (ISO) » Sun Oct 25, 2015 12:05 pm

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In your perfect world, who and when would SKT have played to get to the finals? Oh, and make sure you're doing it with the information available BEFORE the tournament started.
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Post Post #5438 (ISO) » Sun Oct 25, 2015 1:03 pm

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Lets just say that BKT and H2K in groups, and AHQ/FW/OG in their bracket, is probably the weakest competition they could have asked for. EDG was a good competitor going in BEFORE the tournament. LGD/KOO/KT/FNC/EDG/ fuck even IG/CLG would have been more worthy opponents across groups and bracket stages, if we're talking BEFORE the tournament. Instead, they all ended up on the opposite side of the bracket. AFTER the tournament started, their group looked even easier since EDG wasn't performing as well as predicted.

I'm not saying that SKT would have lost to the said harder competition, but it's funny how they didn't have to show any special strats or reveal their cards yet throughout the tournament. Drawing EDG in groups is, I will admit, a hard draw since EDG was, going into the tournament, probably the best 2nd seed of the tournament (that SKT could go up against). But EDG didn't show up, and SKT just had a field day with the worst wildcard team and a subpar EU team on top of that. It's more of the bracket that i'm looking at though.
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Post Post #5439 (ISO) » Sun Oct 25, 2015 1:13 pm

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SKT is just so much better than everyone else that envisioning a fairer road to the finals for them is harder I guess. I understand the idea of splitting up the best teams so they don't kill each other immediately or something like that, but when you place SKT on one side of the bracket against OK teams, and put the four other finals contenders on the other bracket (FNC, KOO, EDG, and KT were all teams that had potential to go to finals, I think if at least one of them was in SKT's bracket it'd be better), it's just weird.
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Post Post #5440 (ISO) » Sun Oct 25, 2015 1:46 pm

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you hope to get close finals on one side and we didn't.

Also re easy groups and saving strats: look at fnatic. They get a taiwanese team (w/e), the 7th na team (and the region wasn't looking any good) and the clearly worst chinese team (if you judge beforehand).

Somehow after the first week they are no longer in the position to hide their kennen. That could have been a powerful trick in a bo5. Fnatic couldn't manage to get default wins. They don't have the champions that you can just put them on and know they will carry the game. You couldn't hand over lulu to skt, couldn't give them fiora, couldn't give them kalista, or even elise. If you did, that player was very likely to take over the game. That's not just that they got it easier, it's also that they are better and that they deliver clean performances.
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Post Post #5441 (ISO) » Mon Oct 26, 2015 3:24 pm

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So I remember the last team I really liked etc (gambit), weren't my team anymore when alex left. It just wasn't the same. They were bad before and bad after, but with him leaving it lost it's charm for me. I wonder how TSM fans feel now. Do they give up on it? Or are they so cynical to go with the argument that bjergsen was all tsm had anyway? Would they feel some misplaced loyalty to the TSM brand?
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Post Post #5442 (ISO) » Mon Oct 26, 2015 3:27 pm

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I left the TSM hype train when Regi stopped playing.
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Post Post #5443 (ISO) » Mon Oct 26, 2015 3:52 pm

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In post 5441, mykonian wrote:So I remember the last team I really liked etc (gambit), weren't my team anymore when alex left. It just wasn't the same. They were bad before and bad after, but with him leaving it lost it's charm for me. I wonder how TSM fans feel now. Do they give up on it? Or are they so cynical to go with the argument that bjergsen was all tsm had anyway? Would they feel some misplaced loyalty to the TSM brand?


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Post Post #5444 (ISO) » Mon Oct 26, 2015 3:52 pm

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Like, my allegiance to the SF Giants isn't contingent on any players.
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Post Post #5445 (ISO) » Mon Oct 26, 2015 4:01 pm

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Post Post #5446 (ISO) » Mon Oct 26, 2015 4:02 pm

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In post 5444, BROseidon wrote:Like, my allegiance to the SF Giants isn't contingent on any players.

Same, only replace the Giants with the Cardinals.

I like Bjergsen and Wildturtle, but if TSM completely removed everyone and started fresh with 5 new guys, I'd still support them because while the players enhance the organization, that's not who I focus on.

(Besides, Gambit still has Diamond so I'm happy there.)
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Post Post #5447 (ISO) » Mon Oct 26, 2015 4:50 pm

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In post 5443, BROseidon wrote:
In post 5441, mykonian wrote:So I remember the last team I really liked etc (gambit), weren't my team anymore when alex left. It just wasn't the same. They were bad before and bad after, but with him leaving it lost it's charm for me. I wonder how TSM fans feel now. Do they give up on it? Or are they so cynical to go with the argument that bjergsen was all tsm had anyway? Would they feel some misplaced loyalty to the TSM brand?


It's about being the fan of a franchise and what it represents, not a player.


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Post Post #5448 (ISO) » Mon Oct 26, 2015 5:49 pm

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Why should that be misplaced loyalty?
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Post Post #5449 (ISO) » Mon Oct 26, 2015 5:51 pm

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My team is and has always been Fnatic. And it continues to be. Even when xPeke, one of the two ap playing reasons I became a fnatic fan left I am still a Fnatic fan.

TSM I liked bc I liked Regi. Without Regi on the playing roster I feel the main reason I watched them is gone. And I was a big TheOddOne fan. And the whole hating CLG thing.
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