LoL eSports Discussion

[zoraster]

why do people like regi?

[Espeonage]

He played Janna mid that one time in an important game and won.

[zoraster]

He played Janna mid that one time in an important game and won.

I looked it up and it looks like Alex Ich played Janna into Regi. But maybe i'm missing one?

[Venmar]

So I remember the last team I really liked etc (gambit), weren't my team anymore when alex left. It just wasn't the same. They were bad before and bad after, but with him leaving it lost it's charm for me. I wonder how TSM fans feel now. Do they give up on it? Or are they so cynical to go with the argument that bjergsen was all tsm had anyway? Would they feel some misplaced loyalty to the TSM brand?

I think how Alex was the deal breaker with your Gambit, Dyrus was my deal breaker with TSM. I know Dyrus isn't considered to be a "charismatic" or "energetic" player with his trend of being quiet and monotone, but he was both of those to me. He had a great esports personality, and in my eyes was a great, passionate, and lovable pro player. With him retiring, I think I can no longer consider TSM to be my 2nd favorite team.

[Espeonage]

He played Janna mid that one time in an important game and won.

I looked it up and it looks like Alex Ich played Janna into Regi. But maybe i'm missing one?

Regi did do it once.

[Venmar]

I always didn't think of Regi as that good of a player honestly, and he has always come across as an ass both as a player and as a coach but :shrug:, i'm a CLG fan, so there's that, i've always thought Hotshot to be the better half of the Regi vs Hotshot rivalry.

[Espeonage]

Lol, I despise Hotshot.

[Venmar]

[pickemgenius]

He's the kind of hyper competitive individual that won't hesitate to do whatever he thinks is best regardless of public opinion. He's also completely loyal to a fault if you're loyal to him. He's like a coach you'd "RUN THROUGH A WALL FOR." He's brash, he's loud, but at the end of the day he wants you to succeed as much as you want yourself to succeed.

[Nexus]

CLG.Eu were always my team, but I stopped liking them when they moved to the USA, and then slowly the roster changed - Snoopeh, Yellowpete and Krepo were my favourite three players.

Fnatic have been my EU team since CLG.eu moved away - I also love Origen. Not really got any proper NA teams, particularly since scarra stopped playing for dignitas.

[quadz08]

still a C9 fan, C9 fan foreva

[Venmar]

I fucking <3 Sneaky

[Oman]

I loved EG because I loved Krepo. Now I love Krepo because I love Krepo. Bless the man.

Honestly, I must seem to have a thing for supports cause in the OPL I fuckin' DIG on EGym.

[Shanba]

Is anyone else kinda stoked for the NA roster changes? 2/3 top 3 NA teams are making radical roster changes. I like it when new talent hits the scene. And they're changing so many players its literally impossible for it to just all be korean imports, heh.

Wickd and Dyrus streams taught me how to play top lane all the way back when, plus Epik Gamer were my favourite team for a long time, so I'm a bit sad to see Dyrus leave competitive, but he's had a hell of a career. He also wasn't on the necessary level any more, I think.

I'm kind of excited for the SKT-Koo finals, but I honestly can't stand watching Koo play. When Hojin was ganking Huni in that FNC series - that is, when he spent 3 minutes slowly inching down the side brushes to set up a gank that never happened - I had serious flashbacks to Dan Dinh's jungling, and that is not a good thing. Then of course they just seem to outclass teams in lategame. I can't really see how that's going to work against SKT at all, and I worry that the games will be stomps, where Koo fall too far behind to make up for their weak early game. Kuro's mid lane and Hojin's jungle are both areas I worry could snowball out of control. That said, Smeb vs Marin has the potential to be amazing, unless Bengi ruins it by just winning the lane for Marin over and over, heh.

[BROseidon]

I loved EG because I loved Krepo. Now I love Krepo because I love Krepo. Bless the man.

Honestly, I must seem to have a thing for supports cause in the OPL I fuckin' DIG on EGym.

Egym has the 2nd best name of lol pros.

Best is obviously crystalmeth.

[BROseidon]

I fucking <3 Sneaky

I don't actually get why people like sneaky. He's really good, but he comes off as immature a lot.

[BROseidon]

So I remember the last team I really liked etc (gambit), weren't my team anymore when alex left. It just wasn't the same. They were bad before and bad after, but with him leaving it lost it's charm for me. I wonder how TSM fans feel now. Do they give up on it? Or are they so cynical to go with the argument that bjergsen was all tsm had anyway? Would they feel some misplaced loyalty to the TSM brand?

It's about being the fan of a franchise and what it represents, not a player.

misplaced loyalty it is!

Not misplaced. That's literally how sports work.

[zoraster]

I fucking <3 Sneaky

I don't actually get why people like sneaky. He's really good, but he comes off as immature a lot.

I like sneaky when he's not knee deep in his shtick, but his shtick operates like 80% of the time.

[Glork]

I don't care how much roster turnover there is, I will always be a C9 fan as long as they compete.

[Shanba]

It's literally impossible for them to be known imports, though. There's a maximum of 2 imports per team. Bjergsen counts as American by being grandfathered in, but even if they import two more players, they'll be short 2 and have to invest in NA talent. If that comes from another team, then THAT team needs new players. One way or another the orgs are going to have to promote local talent, the numbers just don't work any other way. C9 is in a similar situation.

There'll definitely be a couple of Koreans, that's just the way of things now, but regardless the region lock prevents it just being Korea b league (or C league, after China I guess). I guess the worst case scenario is something like, TSM and C9 steal the best players of the weaker teams, then those weaker teams import players to hold the positions that were gone?

Edit: WTH I swear there was a post I was replying to here, not just repeating myself for no reason.

[mykonian]

It's literally impossible for them to be known imports, though. There's a maximum of 2 imports per team. Bjergsen counts as American by being grandfathered in, but even if they import two more players, they'll be short 2 and have to invest in NA talent. If that comes from another team, then THAT team needs new players. One way or another the orgs are going to have to promote local talent, the numbers just don't work any other way. C9 is in a similar situation.

There'll definitely be a couple of Koreans, that's just the way of things now, but regardless the region lock prevents it just being Korea b league (or C league, after China I guess). I guess the worst case scenario is something like, TSM and C9 steal the best players of the weaker teams, then those weaker teams import players to hold the positions that were gone?

Edit: WTH I swear there was a post I was replying to here, not just repeating myself for no reason.

what is this post?

[zoraster]

I don't view getting Koreans as all that helpful anyway. The talent pool may be somewhat deeper in Korea, but importing even very good Koreans doesn't solve all that many problems. That's not to say you shouldn't recruit in Korea; you'd be stupid not to do so if you have resources to really evaluate those players. But just buying a Korean introduces many issues that need to be solved, so you can't just plug in one and expect results. Liquid's year was pretty much defined by trying to integrate Piglet, for example.

[BROseidon]

The issue isn't talent, it's infrastructure. This has been obvious for years

[Shanba]

It's literally impossible for them to be known imports, though. There's a maximum of 2 imports per team. Bjergsen counts as American by being grandfathered in, but even if they import two more players, they'll be short 2 and have to invest in NA talent. If that comes from another team, then THAT team needs new players. One way or another the orgs are going to have to promote local talent, the numbers just don't work any other way. C9 is in a similar situation.

There'll definitely be a couple of Koreans, that's just the way of things now, but regardless the region lock prevents it just being Korea b league (or C league, after China I guess). I guess the worst case scenario is something like, TSM and C9 steal the best players of the weaker teams, then those weaker teams import players to hold the positions that were gone?

Edit: WTH I swear there was a post I was replying to here, not just repeating myself for no reason.

what is this post?

I hate you SO MUCH sometimes.

I sort of agree with Zor, too, with the extra point that if you are getting Korean imports as a North American team, you're likely getting the ones who the Chinese teams didn't want and the Korean teams didn't want - you're not getting the very best players anyway - so you're still going to be a step behind the other regions if your goal is to win worlds.

I'm not sure what you mean by infrastructure broseidon? Like, specifics - they're more organised because they're old Kespa teams and they've been around donkeys years so they understand how to build practice environments and team environments that bring the best out of players, but haven't the western teams really caught up on these parts in recent years? If it's coaches and support staff, I guess that's a thing, but that's also a talent issue in a way. For North America in particular as compared to EUW and Korea, though, there is legitimately just an issue that less people play league and so you're drawing from a smaller talent pool - and that really will hurt.

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

The issue isn't talent, it's infrastructure. This has been obvious for years

Yup. And it can never change either. Korean culture is simply more strict then western ones and that's why westerns usually have less dedication because their elders aren't more strict to let them focus on what needs to be done.