LoL eSports Discussion

[Ythan]

Lol, esports discussion.

Been sittin on that one for a while.

[animorpherv1]

So? Who is this perfect ADC RNG could pick up?

Freeze?

[zoraster]

yeah i mean that's the ideal candidate.

[scotmany12]

This is why TSM is a complete joke. They are the only organization who will make a video where they insult their rival while trying to make a professional announcement. To show doublelift in a clg jersey, who then throws a clg jersey in the trash, is a fucking joke. You make a professional post about it. Like what clg did when they said they were parting ways with doublelift. No other organization does shit like that.

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

Well, its Reginalds team so what do you expect. Its not like Doublelift himself is a whole lot better though

[MTD]

Forgiven joined Gambit!

Source on that? can't find any indication.
I mean yea, officially he has never left gambit, but does that mean anything?

[zoraster]

Forgiven joined Gambit!

Source on that? can't find any indication.
I mean yea, officially he has never left gambit, but does that mean anything?

I mean that's the team he played with all split after leaving SK. He probably won't be back is my understanding.

[zoraster]

Forgiven joined Gambit!

Source on that? can't find any indication.
I mean yea, officially he has never left gambit, but does that mean anything?

Source? I'm saying that he joined them, not that he just joined them. My point being that he was a top tier ADC who joined a mediocre team. He's not coming back is my understanding.

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

SK wanted him gone so he didnt have much of a choice lol

[MTD]

Oh ok I misunderstood that then.

[BROseidon]

yeah i mean that's the ideal candidate.

Fuck I would even go for Forgiven over Turtle.

[BROseidon]

SK wanted him gone so he didnt have much of a choice lol

Still an amazingly terrible decision on SK's part. It was like they were literally trying to get relegated.

[zoraster]

yeah i mean that's the ideal candidate.

Fuck I would even go for Forgiven over Turtle.

This seems like a shortsighted plan. He's clearly amazing (though the graves/lucian meta was far better for him), but he sounds like a pretty miserable person to have on your team.

[MTD]

tbh I would be fine with wildturtle for now

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

SK wanted him gone so he didnt have much of a choice lol

Still an amazingly terrible decision on SK's part. It was like they were literally trying to get relegated.

They couldn't know that beforehand. They had an absolute terrible time during Spring Playoffs because of conflict while actually being the top team during the season. The returned to the lineup they had reasonable success with last season, but the lineup together had just fallen apart beyond recovery at that point. And it's not like Gambit had much success with Forg1ven either so yeah.

[BROseidon]

yeah i mean that's the ideal candidate.

Fuck I would even go for Forgiven over Turtle.

This seems like a shortsighted plan. He's clearly amazing (though the graves/lucian meta was far better for him), but he sounds like a pretty miserable person to have on your team.

I think it's a lot easier to work on attitude than it is to work on mechanical talent.

[BROseidon]

SK wanted him gone so he didnt have much of a choice lol

Still an amazingly terrible decision on SK's part. It was like they were literally trying to get relegated.

They couldn't know that beforehand. They had an absolute terrible time during Spring Playoffs because of conflict while actually being the top team during the season. The returned to the lineup they had reasonable success with last season, but the lineup together had just fallen apart beyond recovery at that point. And it's not like Gambit had much success with Forg1ven either so yeah.

They really should have, though.

SK was basically succeeding on the back of Forgiven/Sven and occasionally Fox. Nrated had been underperforming for a very long time, and Fredy only looked great between mid-summer S4 or so to about 1/2 way through spring split this year.

[BROseidon]

Also apparently C9 has a new jungler, so Hai is likely moving to support.

[zoraster]

yeah i mean that's the ideal candidate.

Fuck I would even go for Forgiven over Turtle.

This seems like a shortsighted plan. He's clearly amazing (though the graves/lucian meta was far better for him), but he sounds like a pretty miserable person to have on your team.

I think it's a lot easier to work on attitude than it is to work on mechanical talent.

I think you are wrong. I think sometimes it's worth it to take on a bad attitude, but I don't think it's very easy to improve the attitude of a player, particularly one who has shown himself unable to deal with multiple different teams.

Sometimes people can change -- if you had a bad attitude as a 17-year-old, it's perfectly plausible you'll have mellowed by 21, but it's harder to see why Forgiven would suddenly be a great person to have as a teammate a few months later.

[zoraster]

Also apparently C9 has a new jungler, so Hai is likely moving to support.

Depending on how the meta progresses, this is probably the best possible result for them.

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

SK wanted him gone so he didnt have much of a choice lol

Still an amazingly terrible decision on SK's part. It was like they were literally trying to get relegated.

They couldn't know that beforehand. They had an absolute terrible time during Spring Playoffs because of conflict while actually being the top team during the season. The returned to the lineup they had reasonable success with last season, but the lineup together had just fallen apart beyond recovery at that point. And it's not like Gambit had much success with Forg1ven either so yeah.

They really should have, though.

SK was basically succeeding on the back of Forgiven/Sven and occasionally Fox. Nrated had been underperforming for a very long time, and Fredy only looked great between mid-summer S4 or so to about 1/2 way through spring split this year.

I don't think it would have changed much. ADC power was terrible in summer and in general, if you camp sk's botlane you win.

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

You know, one thing that annoyed me about pickem this year is once you started getting things wrong, you could get rewarded for being even more wrong.

EG, in group A, basically nobody predicted flash wolves to come out first, so two really common picks assuming pain last are CLG/KOO/FW or KOO/CLG/FW. Which is a better pick, though? Rito's system says "koo second? Thats right, first set is better." When you look at the difference between the two picks - whether koo or clg did better - it comes up with if you wrongly predicted clg to do better than koo you got rewarded.

I mean, the system I'd go for involving relationships between the teams might be a bit complicated, but it's better at determining who predicted things better once things start going haywire. (idk, 2 points for correct relationship, 2 points for each team getting out of groups?)

[Venmar]

Also apparently C9 has a new jungler, so Hai is likely moving to support.

I'd be surprised if Hai doesn't retire though. His wrist is probably still pretty bad and he was very whiney at worlds about how he didn't want to be there. The guy doesn't seem to have the enthusiasm or passion to play the game like he might have had before and I think C9 will be beating a dead horse if they push him to support and make him learn new mechanics for a new role. He'll get the HotshotGG treatment, where C9 (CLG) turns a legendary player like Hai (GG) into a bitch and pass him around each role milking him all the way.

Idk, I love Hai, just think that he should retire if he wants to, nobody should hold him back. If he wants to play, power to him.

[theelkspeaks]

On the subject of RNG Wildturtle, I think a lot of Turtle's decline was him handling the TSM microscope poorly, and he might do well on a less publicized team. I always liked Turtle even after he started to decline, and I wish him the best wherever he ends up.

[quadz08]

Not about LoL, but worth reading http://www.polygon.com/features/2015/11 ... of-esports