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Post Post #375 (ISO) » Mon Nov 02, 2015 10:11 am

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Your main arguments against me are that I gave reads (actually implied reads) on Titus and Block. No, it's not a misrepresentation at all. People can and do give reads any time they want. You don't have to be asked by someone before you give a read. You're starting to sound ridiculous now.
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Post Post #376 (ISO) » Mon Nov 02, 2015 10:12 am

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I want to know what it is about
Persivul's play specifically
that warrants a townread for you. I don't want to hear anything about associations until after a flip.
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Post Post #377 (ISO) » Mon Nov 02, 2015 10:13 am

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In post 375, Persivul wrote:Your main arguments against me are that I gave reads (actually implied reads) on Titus and Block. No, it's not a misrepresentation at all. People can and do give reads any time they want. You don't have to be asked by someone before you give a read. You're starting to sound ridiculous now.

This is not true at all. I posted my points against you and nowhere did I say "Persivul is scum for having reads". IN FACT, you are scum for NOT having reads.
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Post Post #378 (ISO) » Mon Nov 02, 2015 10:13 am

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Persivul wrote:So in your fourth post, and 129th overall, you think you have the scum nailed down?
No, that would be arrogance. Kraeg has joined them, making it five.
I would be surprised to see someone outside those five names flip scum, yes, but that doesn't mean I have the scumteam nailed down. It just means it's unexpected.

On the positive side, he noted that Ranger is buddying, which is something I thought too after Ranger proposed a town block.
A townbloc I excluded myself from is buddying...how?
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Post Post #379 (ISO) » Mon Nov 02, 2015 10:15 am

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I'm going back to work. I made my case. Either people agree with me and vote or they don't. I'm done.
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Post Post #380 (ISO) » Mon Nov 02, 2015 10:16 am

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In post 372, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:
In post 94, Persivul wrote:@Titus:

1. I liked your old (a few months ago) avatar better

2. Why do you want a massclaim this early? As the set-up is only SEMI-open, is it really going to do a lot of good?

I'm not saying it's suspicious that you're pushing for it at this point
...but how would it benefit us?

Why?

In post 373, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:Just to appease Titus' feelings towards you? To soften your opinion? Explain the purpose of the bolded statement.

Explained here:
Reiterated here:

To explain further, this is a complicated setup and I genuinely wanted an answer, if there is one. But, if Titus takes the question as an accusation (and coming from me she very well could), I'm less likely to get a reasoned answer, and more likely to get a defense without an answer.
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Post Post #381 (ISO) » Mon Nov 02, 2015 10:17 am

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In post 379, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:I'm going back to work. I made my case. Either people agree with me and vote or they don't. I'm done.

So, you came in, tunneled your first suspect hard, and closed your mind to other possibilities.
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Post Post #382 (ISO) » Mon Nov 02, 2015 10:18 am

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Flubbernugget wrote:Throwing vedith and Ythan in a town pile right now is pretty ew
Read Vedith's posts and tell me they're scum.
They're not.
Ythan's not in the townbloc because he could be scum, but I've seen some very strong town thinking behind his posts, in particular, the thoughts he's had on players like, say, BlockyMan.

Kop wrote:Does anybody not find it strange that Blocky has been at L-1 for a while now, and nobody has posted intent or even hammered him. Does this spell an indication that scum are on his wagon?
OR, BlockyMan is actually scum and the lack of intent/hammer is confirmation of such.
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Post Post #383 (ISO) » Mon Nov 02, 2015 10:20 am

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EspeciallyTheLies wrote:Alright, who the fuck is Ranger an alt of? They obviously know me.
I think this is a scumslip.

I'm not an alt, but my only posting about EspeciallyTheLies has been scumreading her.
And if she thinks I'm a player who knows her, that would mean that I'm a player who has a correct read on her.
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Post Post #384 (ISO) » Mon Nov 02, 2015 10:22 am

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In post 122, Ranger wrote:Also, Titus, I'm sorry, but your scumteam theory of Blocky/Ocean/Fire is wrong.

It doesn't have ETL on it. ;)

I took this post to be a friendly jab to say hello, not a scum read, considering I'd posted once without reading anything.
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Post Post #385 (ISO) » Mon Nov 02, 2015 10:23 am

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In post 361, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:
In post 356, Titus wrote:Totally willing to theory chime.

I just wanted someone to go over the setup with me as I've never played it and the wiki entry is overwhelming.


Spoiler: Massive Theory
Well this will help me explain why massclaim is good so win win.

At the start of the game, the mod rolls 7 percentage dies. These correspond to the various PRs in the game and VTs.

1-50 = T (Townie)
51-65 = C (Cop)
66-75 = D (Doctor)
76-85 = V (Vigilante)
86-95 = M (Mason)
96-100 = B (Blocker)

The number of Ts directly influences how many scum are in the game. There is only one group scum and 50/50 odds of a serial killer.

Each role necessitates how many letters are in the setup. For instance, masons require at least 2 Ms. A full cop requires two Cs. We can eliminate any setup with one or thee Ms as the mod did not confirm an innocent child at the start of the day.

By structuring a mass claim day 1, we can either confirm all the PRs as town or force scum into some hard kill situations, particularly if we don't know about an SK. Neither do scum.

First PR or VT.
If we get a too many letters scenario (eight PRs), we know there must be scum in the PRs pool).
Then we go to number of letters. Full cops would claim dual letters, same with a one shot doctor (as a one shot doctor cannot exist without a full doctor).
Then, we claim the actual letters. Anyone dual letter claiming without a letter underneath is autoscum.

We also know the setup within a handful of possibilities, dependent on actual claims.
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Post Post #386 (ISO) » Mon Nov 02, 2015 10:25 am

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Jeez man that still makes no sense to me. I mean, I get that it's basically a randomized setup based on a preset of rules for creating the setup, but in terms of what that means as an end result I have no idea.
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Post Post #387 (ISO) » Mon Nov 02, 2015 10:26 am

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So the more instances there are of a non-T letter, the more of that kind of power we get. But conversely the fewer Ts there are the stronger scum are.
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Post Post #388 (ISO) » Mon Nov 02, 2015 10:27 am

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In post 385, Titus wrote:
In post 361, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:
In post 356, Titus wrote:Totally willing to theory chime.

I just wanted someone to go over the setup with me as I've never played it and the wiki entry is overwhelming.


Spoiler: Massive Theory
Well this will help me explain why massclaim is good so win win.

At the start of the game, the mod rolls 7 percentage dies. These correspond to the various PRs in the game and VTs.

1-50 = T (Townie)
51-65 = C (Cop)
66-75 = D (Doctor)
76-85 = V (Vigilante)
86-95 = M (Mason)
96-100 = B (Blocker)

The number of Ts directly influences how many scum are in the game. There is only one group scum and 50/50 odds of a serial killer.

Each role necessitates how many letters are in the setup. For instance, masons require at least 2 Ms. A full cop requires two Cs. We can eliminate any setup with one or thee Ms as the mod did not confirm an innocent child at the start of the day.

By structuring a mass claim day 1, we can either confirm all the PRs as town or force scum into some hard kill situations, particularly if we don't know about an SK. Neither do scum.

First PR or VT.
If we get a too many letters scenario (eight PRs), we know there must be scum in the PRs pool).
Then we go to number of letters. Full cops would claim dual letters, same with a one shot doctor (as a one shot doctor cannot exist without a full doctor).
Then, we claim the actual letters. Anyone dual letter claiming without a letter underneath is autoscum.

We also know the setup within a handful of possibilities, dependent on actual claims.

What stops scum from just claiming VT and then picking off the PRs?
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Post Post #389 (ISO) » Mon Nov 02, 2015 10:27 am

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EspeciallyTheLies wrote:Those of you who aren't voting Persivul need to explain to me why not in a way that doesn't involve "Blocky is better" because he's not.
Well to put it bluntly, I think you're scum pushing him, and in the engagement between you two, he comes out on top. I don't think your points hold water, I think his posting looks town, so I will not be voting him.
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Post Post #390 (ISO) » Mon Nov 02, 2015 10:29 am

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In post 388, Persivul wrote:What stops scum from just claiming VT and then picking off the PRs?

Nothing, it's happening already.
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Post Post #391 (ISO) » Mon Nov 02, 2015 10:30 am

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Ok, so then I guess the first step would be to see how many people claimed VT so far? Or were were doing something else with the mass claim?

p-edit: farside or ranger or whoever you are, I'm a bit flabberghasted by that. I don't understand how anyone could confbias off one greeting post and then consider any of Persivul's arguments to have "come out on top". Like.. that's really mind blowing and either you're his partner or you're a fucking idiot.
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Post Post #392 (ISO) » Mon Nov 02, 2015 10:30 am

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And why aren't you voting me then?
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Post Post #393 (ISO) » Mon Nov 02, 2015 10:32 am

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I legit would welcome being a counterwagon to Persivul.

Come on, let's do it.
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Post Post #394 (ISO) » Mon Nov 02, 2015 10:33 am

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@Persivul, Their night kills would be dictated most of the game. Please don't ask me to repeat myself again. This is the second time that's been asked by you.

@Ythan, Yes and there are certain claims scum would be dumb to make, so we'll see.

@ETL yes. That's how any massclaim should go. Scum can't see who they are ccing until they are stuck.
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Post Post #395 (ISO) » Mon Nov 02, 2015 10:33 am

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In post 394, Titus wrote:@Ythan, Yes and there are certain claims scum would be dumb to make, so we'll see.

We really won't because a massclaim isn't happening.
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Post Post #396 (ISO) » Mon Nov 02, 2015 10:34 am

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Problem is Ranger's up and he has zero interest in compliance.
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Post Post #397 (ISO) » Mon Nov 02, 2015 10:34 am

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If Persivul is scum I could see Ranger/Ythan as possible partners.
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Post Post #398 (ISO) » Mon Nov 02, 2015 10:35 am

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In post 395, Ythan wrote:
In post 394, Titus wrote:@Ythan, Yes and there are certain claims scum would be dumb to make, so we'll see.

We really won't because a massclaim isn't happening.


Why? You and I both know that it will be easier for them to h
make fake claims if they know about the presence or absence of SK. So why do you want to help them?
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