NY 190: Molla's Large Normal

[Luna Fox]

I meant FAQ not IaI, sorry

[Titus]

Yeah IaI admits to have vigged DGB but DGB didn't die, while IaI's shot on Talah went through fine N2.
IaI's supposed to be 2-shot BP too.

Typo?

[FA_Q2]

So, Vedith, from now on you're the only player that I will address.

Don't do that...

I am town, and vanilla. It's as if you've seen my role PM.

Now, IAI claims to have targeted me.
There are some possibilities:
(1) he was bodyguarded
(2) I was bodyguarded (though very unlikely)
(3) maybe he was actually RB'd by scum (though with him and Titus clamoring for my NK, that would be highly unlikely)
(3) he is lying. Maybe he is one-shot, maybe 2-shot, maybe he used a shot on the BP bodyguard, and is pretending that he shot me and failed instead.

What I find most damning is Titus' post at the day's opening. She pretty much "predicted" what IAI was going to say, and frames it as only one possible explanation:
In post 3065, Titus wrote:
Pretty much confirmed by IaI being let go with his intent to shoot Talah but blocked when shooting DGB. (Supposition here that IaI didn't no kill).


The bit about "let do with his intent to shoot talah" is interesting. Maybe IAI is a has a strongman shot? Why didn't the bodyguard protect talah? I guess in his mind it could be protecting a player against a vig shot, but still... The FN wasn't protected either. So, who did the bodyguard, bodyguard?

Do I have the BG role wrong here? If he was bodyguarded, why would that stop a kill?
Given that it is possible that he is scum, I still think highly unlikely. Lying? Possible, as SK would be fitting. Personally I like him for town as it stands.

Talah said not to be protected. But yeah, lets find out who the BG was on and why.
If he isn't the BG, then IaI is not scum at all for me, the only reason that would have that role is if we really have 2 BP protecting roles.

So for me IaI and FA are not both of the same align.

I was on IaI as I stated in the beginning of the last day. First night I guarded Tallah.

[FA_Q2]

Can't you wait for the BG to declare his target?

Sure i can wait for that
UNVOTE:
I'm not gonna vote who you want me to vote i'll just keep my vote nowhere in the meantime.

I have guarded IaI for the last 2 nights.

[FA_Q2]

Can't you notice Titus's shit cases yesterday, setting up some false dilemma that one of Firebringer and I had to be scum so that she could line up the other one for the next day's lynch?

While i can see this as a good point for scum Titus, that doesn't explain IaI's proven to be a Vig or SK, is Mafia Vig normal?
What im bothered about is FAQ not protecting the FN, and i doubt he protected you when he was agreeing with Titus yesterday (I think?) about FB scum and possibly you scum, disagree? I'll still wait for his answer but im not sure if it'll change my PoV.

It is an interesting theory of a mafia vig. It does fit considering all the PR roles that were in play. If that was the case though, where did the night kill go? It does not make any sense to have targeted me (and waste a shot on my vest) and if he was mafia then he certainly was not the target of that missing kill.

I think that is the largest problem with that theory.

@vedith - you claim that you don't think me and IaI share alignments. If that is the case and you think he is town then you, by extension, think I am scum. Correct?

[FA_Q2]

Pretending? What the actual fuck? I am currently reading through Vediths and looking for something conclusive. But I don't think anything is going to compare to you and him berating me once I put my vote on you.

I am done for the day. I don't need the personal attacks. I will unvote for the time being on the off chance you're just mean spirited and not scum.

UNVOTE:

....

This timing is bad.

[FA_Q2]

Unless he was bodyguarded, which is weird given that the Friendly Neighbor was left unprotected, he is lying outright about targeting me.

No, Titus claimed RB the moment she said he was blocked...

Considering that titus has essentially run town thus far and we have whiffed every time, I am willing to go here. Town needs a new strategy as the last one has brought us to lylo without taking out a single scum.

[Vedith]

@vedith - you claim that you don't think me and IaI share alignments. If that is the case and you think he is town then you, by extension, think I am scum. Correct?

I meant that you are not scum together, and most likely not town together.
I would suspect you over IaI. I do find it odd that you protected a possible town to a confirmed town.

[DrippingGoofball]

I have guarded IaI for the last 2 nights.

If you are telling the truth, that means that IAI is straight up lying about targeting me.

Technically he could have been roleblocked, but since I am town and Titus was repeating that if Firebringer was town, then I should be shot next because I had to be scum, I doubt that a scum roleblocker would have tageted IAItown.

A more likely possibility is that Tituscum & IAIscum decided that it was a bigger priority to shoot the FN (I think that was the correct decision for scum anyway), and then for Tituscum to continue to push for the lynches she has been lining up, while faking that IAI targeted me but was stopped.

Now, the remaining intellectual exercise is, who is the third scum?

If I can solve that I will consider it a personal win.

[DrippingGoofball]

I do find it odd that you protected a possible town to a confirmed town.

...and twice, but I surmise that as scum, I would have NK'd the vig before the conftown, so protecting the claimed vig wasn't necessarily a bad idea.

It just happens that IAI is not town, but mafia vigs

are

unusual.

[DrippingGoofball]

@ Vedith, if FA_Q2 cannot be of the same alignment as IAI, I would surmise that FA_Q2 is town.

So far I have:

Town

DGB
Vedith
FAQ2

Scum

IAI
Titus

The third scum is in:

Performer, Pignash, Luna Fox

[Luna Fox]

it doesnt make sense for FAQ!Scum and IaI!Town to have the events of D2

[Vedith]

Why would you NK the vig when scum were aware of his targets.
It was obvious that Talah was going to be the shot, and although I expected Titus to have been killed last night by IaI (I mean, wtf?!) he apparently made it obvious that he was shooting you? I didn't see that part.

As scum, if I know who is being shot and it's town, you would just laugh and let them live.

As it stands - Titus is scum for me because she is scum.
FAQ is scum for not protecting a town - If I have a protecting role, it's always going to be on the confirmed town no matter what.

[Luna Fox]

For some reason it posted before i finished...

To have the events of D2 that happened, since FAQ blocked a kill on a Townie.

[DrippingGoofball]

Yeah IaI admits to have vigged DGB but DGB didn't die, while IaI's shot on Talah went through fine N2.
IaI's supposed to be 2-shot BP too.

Explain? I have a big of brain fog today.

[Vedith]

Pignash is also scum for me too.

[Luna Fox]

Vedith the fact here is that IaI is a town vig, they didnt block his shot on talah, but they blocked his shot on DGB. And yes it was obvious that IaI was shooting DGB...

[DrippingGoofball]

FIREBRINGER

- 4 -

TITUS,

FA_Q2, PERFORMER,

I AM INNOCENT

,

I AM INNOCENT

- 2 - LUNA FOX,

FIREBRINGER,

TITUS

- 1 -

VEDITH

,

FA_Q2

- 1 -

DRIPPINGGOOFBALL

,

NOT VOTING: THEWORST, CHANNELDELIBIRD,

[Vedith]

To have the events of D2 that happened, since FAQ blocked a kill on a Townie.

But it's not confirmed that there was even a shot...
We only have 1 confirmed shot from IaI and that was on Talah.
What is he isn't a BG but a RB for scum?

[Vedith]

He meaning FAQ, not IaI

[DrippingGoofball]

Vedith the fact here is that IaI is a town vig, they didnt block his shot on talah, but they blocked his shot on DGB. And yes it was obvious that IaI was shooting DGB...

You are not considering that IAI may be a limited-shot Mafia vig, maybe he can't shoot anymore, and he didn't even shoot last night.

I mean,

I know

he didn't, I am phrasing it from your perspective.

[Vedith]

Vedith the fact here is that IaI is a town vig, they didnt block his shot on talah, but they blocked his shot on DGB. And yes it was obvious that IaI was shooting DGB...

Although I agree he is town vig, we have no proof. I'm not lynching him today, but saying that he is confirmed (or implying it) is stupid.

[Luna Fox]

But it's not confirmed that there was even a shot...
We only have 1 confirmed shot from IaI and that was on Talah.
What is he isn't a BG but a RB for scum?

While technically town has a lot of roleblockable roles, it requires scum to know who to target with their roleblocker, and if scum has a roleblocker why didnt they roleblock Skybird N1?

[Vedith]

I mean, I know he didn't, I am phrasing it from your perspective.

Why does everyone think that he didn't?
I mean, Titus said that he was blocked... Why would she randomly say that he was blocked?
I think that scum have a RB.

[DrippingGoofball]

FIREBRINGER

- 4 -

TITUS,

FA_Q2

, PERFORMER,

I AM INNOCENT

,

I AM INNOCENT

- 2 - LUNA FOX,

FIREBRINGER,

TITUS

- 1 -

VEDITH

,

FA_Q2

- 1 -

DRIPPINGGOOFBALL

,

NOT VOTING: THEWORST, pignash,

Sorry I forgot to green up FAQ2