Mini 1725 - Game Over

[MarioManiac4]

Say you get a MD visit on someone.
1)- They could be a Town PR who went somewhere.
2)- They could have been visited by a Town PR.
3)- They could have been visited by a Scum PR.
4)- They could have been killing.
5)- They could be a scum PR who went somewhere.

These options are not that evenly balanced; making a kill is quite rare and even if they do it's more likely you just got a TPR.

Say you get a no visit.
1)- They are a VT who did nothing and wasn't visited.
2)- They are scum who didn't do anything.

It is weak and if it was the singular investigative role I'd say the town is right about where they left off with MD's or without them.

My thoughts outside you/Ari? I don't really know until one of you flips, which is alright anyway.
If you are mafia, the other two are probably Soapbar and Maxous.
If it's Aristophanes, the other two are probably in supercool, Nosferatu and Firesong. I think scum would have had enough time to quickhammer if super, me and you are all town, so it would be within Nos/Fire.

[ChaosOmega]

Votecount 4.02

Aristophanes (3) - Soapbar, Hinduragi, Nosferatu
Hinduragi (2) - Aristophanes, Firesong

Not Voting (3) - MarioManiac4, supercool898, Maxous

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2015-11-18 10:02:25)

[Maxous]

meh, anybody have last minute objections before i vote aristo?

[Hinduragi]

1)- They could be a Town PR who went somewhere.
2)- They could have been visited by a Town PR.
3)- They could have been visited by a Scum PR.
4)- They could have been killing.
5)- They could be a scum PR who went somewhere.

My thoughts outside you/Ari? I don't really know until one of you flips, which is alright anyway.
If you are mafia, the other two are probably Soapbar and Maxous.
If it's Aristophanes, the other two are probably in supercool, Nosferatu and Firesong. I think scum would have had enough time to quickhammer if super, me and you are all town, so it would be within Nos/Fire.

Yes. But combined with a vig and given the reads on that player, it makes it decent enough as an investigative role if there's a massclaim and the weak role survives, which it didn't. Bottom Line- it makes more sense for a protective role to be coupled in with these two and not much sense at all for a tracker with no modifier to be thrown in. Assuming the weak md lives, you have a one-sided setup come claim time.

[Hinduragi]

meh, anybody have last minute objections before i vote aristo?

Just want to know who do you think are scum outside me/ari.

Also, guys, try not to associate your scum reads based on one person flipping town or the other. You don't want to make too many partner connections BEFORE a flip. Try to keep them in a scumminess order without the flip and you can go back later if need be and make associations once you have scum flips. Making the guesses based on one person flipping scum or town is not ideal and is a tad confusing.

[MarioManiac4]

My reads are literally based on which of you is scum because I've been focusing on you both since D3 though.

[Hinduragi]

Don't blame you(it's dumb not to focus on me/ari because of the past two days) but you may want to reread. That's an iffy road to go down and it may cause more problems for you, even outside this game. Going into D5 I'm not alive anymore and you have to have solid reads that don't depend on others or you may start second guessing or be terribly terribly wrong just based on assumptions an links.

[Maxous]

meh, anybody have last minute objections before i vote aristo?

Just want to know who do you think are scum outside me/ari.

I'm not sure and sorry, but honestly not really caring at the moment
if we lynch wrong, then it doesn't matter anyway, and if we lynch correct I will have a scum-flip to reference while re-reading

[MarioManiac4]

Hinduragi engaging with me does seem more town, considering Anna's play earlier.
If Maxous votes after I reread I'll probably be hammering.
If he doesn't I'll probably do the exact same thing.
...and this is where the paranoia kicks in.

[MarioManiac4]

Also

VOTE: Firesong

Is there any real reason for this vote, or did we just go back into RVS?

And then I find this post

[Hinduragi]

meh, anybody have last minute objections before i vote aristo?

Just want to know who do you think are scum outside me/ari.

I'm not sure and sorry, but honestly not really caring at the moment
if we lynch wrong, then it doesn't matter anyway, and if we lynch correct I will have a scum-flip to reference while re-reading

We're lynching right or else I wouldn't care nearly as much. I want to give out my reads before this day ends because I'm confirmed town tonight and I'm pretty sure I lost my BP. The scum-flip will help I know but I want to give everyone as much info as I can because I'm likely going to be making a quick entrance then disappearing again.

[Hinduragi]

Also

VOTE: Firesong

Is there any real reason for this vote, or did we just go back into RVS?

And then I find this post

What about it stands out to you

[MarioManiac4]

Also

VOTE: Firesong

Is there any real reason for this vote, or did we just go back into RVS?

And then I find this post

What about it stands out to you

Nosferatu appears really defensive about this Firesong vote.

[Hinduragi]

That's what irks me. Reading through, I was so sure of Ari/Nos/Fire the whole time. I slightly had you. I didn't know about Maxous. I still and probably always will think Super/Soap town. But now Fire is either bad scum or bad town. Bad town for the SK idea and voting someone on that basis. Bad scum because you should be bussing your buddy in this situation when he's going down. I honestly can't tell which and I think I feel safer about a Nos lynch, especially given her activity and lack of interactions but rather just mere participation in this D4. Going forward, I think the hardest choices you guys have to make are who you want to go for.

You need to root out if someone is sleeper scum and cruising by. Because, in all honesty, I think Fire could be town. As much as it pains me to say it and how confused it makes me feel, it's a possibility I have to think about now that I may not be able to give out anymore info or get anymore info past today. I would've definitely taken her or Nos over Rory D1 but noone here has that luxury now. You have to be sure going forward. The

best

thing I can think of is just post as often as you can here if you are town in the coming days. If you are town, you should feel town just by interacting with other people and doing that often. As long as you care about winning this game, that's all you have to do and I think it's the best shot we've got. That way you can at least help reinforce townreads from other players on yourself.

[Nosferatu]

Also

VOTE: Firesong

Is there any real reason for this vote, or did we just go back into RVS?

And then I find this post

What about it stands out to you

Nosferatu appears really defensive about this Firesong vote.

Why does it seem that way to you?

[Firesong]

Also

VOTE: Firesong

Is there any real reason for this vote, or did we just go back into RVS?

And then I find this post

What about it stands out to you

Nosferatu appears really defensive about this Firesong vote.

Why didn't you say anything about it on Day1?

Soapbar put a naked vote on me after RVS ended. I had done nothing to warrant the vote, it literally came from nowhere.

There was speculation that Soap was trying to restart RVS.

He never did give a good reason for the vote, hence my keeping an eye on him. I'm still suspicious.

I'm just speculating here, but the vote might have seemed out of place to Nosferatu as well.

And you two are just now noticing all that?

Not a good look.

[Firesong]

I think a massclaim is in order.

Is everyone agreeable to that?

[supercool898]

Why do we need a massclaim? Today's lynch will be between hinduragi and Aristophanes (of which aristo is very likely the scum) so what will a massclaim do for us other than give scum people to lynch? I feel if we ever need to massclaim, tomorrow would be better since that would eliminate a full night where scum is more informed about PRs.

[Soapbar]

Apologies for not posting yesterday, I got sidetracked.

I read through Hinduragi's wall of text. It's a pretty good post and reaffirms what I've know for quite a while: Hinduragi Town, Aristophanes scum. Also brought a lot of earlier posts back into vision.

I think a massclaim is in order.

Is everyone agreeable to that?

This reeks of rolefishing, especially since there are only two real viable candidates for lynching at this point, what's the point of massclaiming?

[MarioManiac4]

Also

VOTE: Firesong

Is there any real reason for this vote, or did we just go back into RVS?

And then I find this post

What about it stands out to you

Nosferatu appears really defensive about this Firesong vote.

Why didn't you say anything about it on Day1?

Soapbar put a naked vote on me after RVS ended. I had done nothing to warrant the vote, it literally came from nowhere.

There was speculation that Soap was trying to restart RVS.

He never did give a good reason for the vote, hence my keeping an eye on him. I'm still suspicious.

I'm just speculating here, but the vote might have seemed out of place to Nosferatu as well.

And you two are just now noticing all that?

Not a good look.

So you are accusing me of not noticing something earlier? And I'm scummy?
You know what, I'm fed up with you. You are, indeed, using moonlogic to justify logical reaches and it's not my fault if you end up flipping town. I plan to vote you on Day Five.
VOTE: Aristophanes

[Hinduragi]

I think a massclaim is in order.

Is everyone agreeable to that?

I like it because - 1.) I'm a protective role. 2.) I want to be alive during the claims.
I don't like it because - Likelihood of any more PR claims is close to null and thus the massclaim ends up being null.

When scum fakeclaimed and ended up fakeclaiming against a third PR, it really drove the nail into the coffin of the hopes that a massclaim would yield fruit. Essentially this is the lynch that a massclaim would end up bringing about. I can be wrong but honestly don't think it will help.

Long-story short: it probably won't help. IF there's even one pr left, scum know what to claim now because of all the discussion about Aristo's fakeclaim.

[Hinduragi]

This reeks of rolefishing, especially since there are only two real viable candidates for lynching at this point, what's the point of massclaiming?

Does it, though? Would scum under fire just bring all this out in the open?

Cause, in all honesty, it seems pretty genuine to me despite how dumb it is to suggest from that slot. Really wanting to discuss this before I die.

[Hinduragi]

You know what, I'm fed up with you. You are, indeed, using moonlogic to justify logical reaches

and it's not my fault if you end up flipping town

. I plan to vote you on Day Five.

Yes. Yes, it is. It is definitely your fault. If you're expecting a town flip in the slightest, you are on the wrong wagon and are intentionally voting town in a game-deciding situation rather than just considering the possibility of town and looking into it further. That's what scum do.

Tomorrow, it's 2v4, still MYLO territory, and there are more scum candidates than just Firesong. If anyone isn't sure of a read, vote No Lynch

only if you have to

. Consider the consequences, who will vote who, if you think a mislynch may go through or a scum lynch, and then decide based on that. All of this has to be thought about going forward.

[Hinduragi]

I really don't like the fact you're setting up your vote a day ahead of time when you should be thinking about it. Really don't.

[Hinduragi]

And you two are just now noticing all that?

Do you think noone should be going back and looking at how everyone is not only interacting but posting earlier in the game? Does something not feel right to you?