Blitz 3: Dead of Winter Mafia - Game Over

[Davsto]

Can I ask who said that the post restriction is Kling's secret wincon? That seems like a logical leap.

[Expedience]

Can I ask who said that the post restriction is Kling's secret wincon? That seems like a logical leap.

I guess it is a logical leap, but what else could it realistically be?

[Davsto]

A post restriction?

[Davsto]

As in, in the same way someone might be a Cop, part of their role.

[A Royal Saint]

Let's not discuss which role please. There are some roles that have a post restriction inherent or KlingonCelt could be attempting her win con and it is poorly designed there are a lot of possibilities. Instead of setup spec we should be either lynching or asking for a mod replace of game's slot because this is bullshit.

[Expedience]

VOTE: Klingoncelt

Scum know

secret

wincons.

So why is it supposedly this obvious if it's "secret"?

I think Klingon just chose a fake one that wasn't on the list at the start of the game, and one that would "confirm" her as town to everyone else.

Also she is pushing a lurker and apparently has no other scumreads.

Worst case scenario: we mislynch what is effectively a vote.

I don't think a lynch on Klingoncelt is the way to go today.

As I have mentioned previously I think scum could easily make up this kind of postrestriction, so it isn't proof that she is town.

But it is basicly a policylynch, and a policylynch that we won't gain much information from if she is town. It is easy for scum to jump on this wagon, as she cannot defend herself.

If we don't agree on a lynch on either Saint or Ranger though, I will consolidate on Klingoncelt, as she will be an uncertainty throughout the game.

It's not really a policy lynch from my perspective, I think Klingon is scum faking a post restriction. If you want to view it as a policy lynch because there is a lower risk associated with it you're welcome to do that, but there is evidence to suggest that Klingon is scum.

[Makoto Nanaya]

Rule against saying post restrictions publicly

Show me the rule. It refers to secondary wincons, not post restrictions.

In fact, under the rules, a post restriction

can't

be a wincon because the act of following the restriction would break the rules, but not following it would also break the rules.(For not playing to your wincon)
It's a paradox that is only broken by makeing a PR a role, not a secondary wincon.

[Scorpious]

We can complain about it,or we can try to decipher a unique set up and enjoy it..

[Makoto Nanaya]

davesas

You are a little hard for me to read at this point. there is some strange things in your ISO that could be scum or style, and i don't know you well enough (or at all) to know the difference. Townlean.

[Makoto Nanaya]

Expedience

Was the Pro-RVS side of the debate early on. That fight seemed TvT to me, so i had him as a townlean. More recently however he's been pushing KC because of her post restriction, using evidence I don't really see. I don't like it, but it may just be headstrong town. Null for now.

[Makoto Nanaya]

The Silver Bard

The other half of the early game RVS debate, I've liked his posting since. He seems to be trying to solve the game. Town on him, and i'll get into my opinions of his ARS push on ARS's post.

[gameplay506]

Btw guys I am too lazy to read but did I get OMGUS'ed?

[Expedience]

Rule against saying post restrictions publicly

Show me the rule. It refers to secondary wincons, not post restrictions.

In fact, under the rules, a post restriction

can't

be a wincon because the act of following the restriction would break the rules, but not following it would also break the rules.(For not playing to your wincon)
It's a paradox that is only broken by makeing a PR a role, not a secondary wincon.

Yeah, you have a point to some extent, but I don't think that Klingon would have both a post restriction and then another secondary wincon because that would just be redundant. How you're saying a post restriction can't be a secondary wincon is precisely why I think that it's being faked.

[Expedience]

Btw guys I am too lazy to read but did I get OMGUS'ed?

Technically you did I think.

It would be nice if you read through and gave your thoughts on the game. Also inb4 more tunneling even though apathy is not really scummy.

[Makoto Nanaya]

A Royal Saint

This guy, his logic for pushing Bard was not that good. Apparently he still believes it but moved to hs "third scumspect", lurker Gameplay. Suffice to say I Really don't like his push, but the possibility that he's just overconfident in his reads is enough for me to want more information first. Scumlean and save for D2 on. Bard pushed back hard which is good for information gathering, but i'm not quite comfortable with lynching him just yet.

I think that's everyone. Feel free to berate me if I missed someone. Gameplay earned a little more of a scumlean for his non-post earlier today, he should read in the next hour or so and finally post some thoughts.
Ranger is the person I'm most interested in right now. followed by Saint then gameplay. Jester posted earlier and voted for me, all i can say is i hope these posts have cleared up your concerns.

[Expedience]

davesaz, would you consider Klingon a policy lynch?

[The Silver Bard]

I'll post my feelings on everyone a bit later when I have more time. To prove a point to bard about how annoying that was, it shall be in the form of one post per person.

Since I have a minute, l'll start with gameplay.

Play the dang game. Lurking isn't nessisarily alignment indictive, but it doesn't help town. That said, lurker lynches are for when we have no other leads, and he could always turn around and start posting.

Well that altslip didn't take any time at all.

I don't find it annoying at all. I actually think this was better to read than a long wallpost

And I like that you are giving your reads. But, why are you not putting down a vote?

[Makoto Nanaya]

But, why are you not putting down a vote?

Because i forgot it was blitz.
VOTE: Ranger

[The Silver Bard]

I don't like gameplays recent posts. He says he would read and then comes back and says he is to lazy to read.

This sees very antitown to me. I don't get why town would do this, unless to provoke a reaction. It could also be some secret wincon or something. But I find this behaviour suspicious to say the least.

The jester I like better for his post as he is taking stances.

I won't be checking in until around deadline tomorrow. Please consider and reconsider Saint and Ranger for lynch. I will consolidate on celtic if need be though as previously mentioned.

[Scorpious]

I can support a GP lynch today, I'm not voting ranger or celt today..

[gameplay506]

Lurking is both antitown and antiscum. Just saying.
Also believe me lynching me today will be simply a waste of time.

[Makoto Nanaya]

I'm gonna be unavailable for the next ~4 hours, if things happen in that time than i will react when i get back.

[Titus]

Official Vote Count

Klingoncelt

(3): Klingoncelt, Expedience, hiplop

A Royal Saint

(3): gameplay506, The Silver Bard, Ranger

Ranger

(2): Davsto, Makoto Nanaya

gameplay506

(2): davesaz, A Royal Saint

Makoto Nanaya

(1): The_Jester

Not Voting

(2): Scorpious, pisskop

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2015-11-07 13:53:01)

[hiplop]

good lynch b/c good chance its FAKE and shes scum

and if not all we lose is a useless post restriction, anyway.

[Expedience]

I don't like gameplays recent posts. He says he would read and then comes back and says he is to lazy to read.

This sees very antitown to me. I don't get why town would do this, unless to provoke a reaction. It could also be some secret wincon or something. But I find this behaviour suspicious to say the least.

I agree that it is anti-town, but you seem to be missynonymizing "anti-town" and "suspicious". I think it's probably null, it just means that he isn't really trying as either alignment. And the fact that he hasn't posted much just means that we have even less to read him on.

He is doing anti-town things and not scummy things, so I consider it a policy lynch. Which is why I asked davesaz that question earlier to potentially trap him into a corner, but there actually isn't enough time to dance with questioning.