Newbie 1656 : Game Over

[SilverWolf]

Treating LoHa as conf town because i dont think moosy would have botched his role...

I don't think Moosy would of not done his night action two nights in a row and it was agree'd he was going to jail LoHa. The fact that a kill went through and the fact that LoHa is an uncc'd PR that fits in this setup, pretty much comes as close to confirming him as town as we are going to get, so yeah, we can leave him out as a possibility.

[LoHa]

goodmorning

- 2 - Sakura Hana, SilverWolf

LoHa

- 2 - lordj210,

goodmorning

SilverWolf - 1 -

LoHa

stepperman - 1 -

coolkyledude

Not Voting: stepperman,

Mightymandarin

, Ether

goodmorning

- 2 - Sakura Hana, SilverWolf

LoHa

- 2 - lordj210,

goodmorning

SilverWolf - 1 -

LoHa

stepperman - 1 -

coolkyledude

Not Voting: stepperman,

Mightymandarin

, Ether

LoHa

- 3 - lordj210,

goodmorning

, Ether

goodmorning

- 1 - SilverWolf
SilverWolf - 1 -

LoHa

stepperman - 1 -

coolkyledude

Not Voting: stepperman,

Mightymandarin

, Sakura Hana

goodmorning

- 2 - SilverWolf,

coolkyledude

LoHa

- 2 -

goodmorning

, Ether
SilverWolf - 1 -

LoHa

No Lynch - 1 - lordj210

Not Voting: OceanWind,

Mightymandarin

, Sakura Hana



Ether - 2 - OceanWind, lordj210

LoHa

- 2 -

goodmorning

, Sakura Hana

goodmorning

- 1 -

coolkyledude

SilverWolf - 1 -

LoHa

Not Voting:

Mightymandarin

, SilverWolf, Ether

LoHa

- 3 -

goodmorning

, Sakura Hana,

MoosyDoosy

Ether - 1 - lordj210

goodmorning

- 1 -

LoHa

OceanWind - 1 - SilverWolf
SilverWolf - 1 - OceanWind

Not Voting:

Mightymandarin

, Ether

LoHa

- 3 -

goodmorning

, Sakura Hana,

MoosyDoosy

Ether - 1 - lordj210

goodmorning

- 1 -

LoHa

OceanWind - 1 - SilverWolf
SilverWolf - 1 - OceanWind

Not Voting:

Mightymandarin

, Ether

LoHa

- 3 -

goodmorning

, Sakura Hana,

MoosyDoosy

Ether - 1 - lordj210

goodmorning

- 1 -

LoHa

SilverWolf - 1 - OceanWind

Not Voting:

Mightymandarin

, Ether, SilverWolf

goodmorning

- 2 -

LoHa

, Sakura Hana

LoHa

- 2 -

goodmorning

,

MoosyDoosy

Ether - 1 - lordj210
Sakura Hana - 1 - Ether
SilverWolf - 1 - OceanWind

Not Voting:

Mightymandarin

, SilverWolf

LoHa

- 3 -

goodmorning

,

MoosyDoosy

, Sakura Hana
Sakura Hana - 2 - lordj210,

LoHa

goodmorning

- 1 - SilverWolf
SilverWolf - 1 - OceanWind

Not Voting:

Mightymandarin

, Ether


L-1

LoHa

- 4 -

goodmorning

, Sakura Hana, lordj210,

MoosyDoosy

goodmorning

- 1 - SilverWolf
Sakura Hana - 1 -

LoHa

SilverWolf - 1 - OceanWind

Not Voting:

Mightymandarin

, Ether

LoHa

- 3 -

goodmorning

, lordj210,

MoosyDoosy

lordj210 - 1 - SilverWolf

MoosyDoosy

- 1 - Sakura Hana
Sakura Hana - 1 -

LoHa

SilverWolf - 1 - OceanWind

Not Voting:

Mightymandarin

, Ether

LoHa

- 2 -

MoosyDoosy

,

goodmorning

goodmorning

- 1 - Sakura Hana

MoosyDoosy

- 1 - SilverWolf
OceanWind - 1 - Ether
Sakura Hana - 1 -

LoHa

SilverWolf - 1 - OceanWind

Not Voting:

Mightymandarin

, lordj210

goodmorning

- 3 - Sakura Hana, OceanWind, SilverWolf

LoHa

- 2 -

MoosyDoosy

,

goodmorning

OceanWind - 1 - Ether

Not Voting:

Mightymandarin

, lordj210,

LoHa

L-1

goodmorning

- 4 - Sakura Hana, OceanWind, SilverWolf, lordj210

LoHa

- 2 - MoosyDoosy,

goodmorning

OceanWind - 1 - Ether

Not Voting:

Mightymandarin

,

LoHa

L-1

goodmorning

- 4 - Sakura Hana, OceanWind, lordj210,

LoHa

lordj210 - 3 - Ether,

goodmorning

,

MoosyDoosy

Not Voting:

Mightymandarin

, SilverWolf



L-1

goodmorning

- 4 - Sakura Hana, OceanWind, lordj210,

LoHa

L-1 lordj210 - 4 - Ether,

goodmorning

,

MoosyDoosy

, SilverWolf

Not Voting:

Mightymandarin

goodmorning

- 5 - Sakura Hana, OceanWind, lordj210,

LoHa

, SilverWolf
lordj210 - 3 - Ether,

goodmorning

,

MoosyDoosy

Not Voting:

Mightymandarin

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Mightymandarin

(1):

MoosyDoosy

lordj210 (1): OceanWind

Not Voting (6):

Mightymandarin

, lordj210, Sakura Hana, SilverWolf, Ether,

LoHa

lordj210 (3): OceanWind, Ether, SilverWolf

Mightymandarin

(2):

MoosyDoosy

, lordj210
Ether (1): Sakura Hana

Not Voting (2):

Mightymandarin

,

LoHa

Mightymandarin

(3):

MoosyDoosy

, lordj210, Sakura Hana
lordj210 (3): OceanWind, Ether, SilverWolf

Not Voting (2):

Mightymandarin

,

LoHa

Mightymandarin

(5):

MoosyDoosy

, lordj210, Sakura Hana, SilverWolf, Ether
lordj210 (1): OceanWind
Ether (1):

Mightymandarin

[SilverWolf]

LoHa-What does that VCA tell you about anyone?

[Malakittens]

Official Vote Count

Not Voting

(6): lordj210, OceanWind, Sakura Hana, SilverWolf, Ether, LoHa

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2015-11-20 00:00:00)

[lordj210]

LoHa-What does that VCA tell you about anyone?

it shows how people voted when i have sunay off so ill be looking at that more to see if any of the d1 votes mirror with GM's votes ie maybe a peson changes votes when GM did aybe a person voted after/before GM and so forth

[SilverWolf]

I think a newbie scumgame meta read of GM might be beneficial at some point to see how she treats her partners, pair that with the VCA and with the ISO's/interactions and hopefully find a more obvious suspect than what I have right now.

[LoHa]

VOTE: lordj

It tells me let's vote lordj.

Everyone else seems to be trying to he useful in one way or another.

If scum is Sakura we probably lost. If it's Silver or Ocean then it's up to Silver and Ocean to duke it out. If it's Ether we win tomorrow and if it's lordj we win today.

When I said the best argument will win my vote I don't think GM thought I was kidding. I believe she would have been capable and interested to fabricate a sufficiently sound argument on her counterwagon if it wouldn't have been on her pr scumbuddy.

[LoHa]

Regardless, the elegant thing to do would be to go around and recap by putting the spotlight on each potentially scum player and treat them as probscum. I mean spend a day or two, at least 2-3 posts each to tunnel said player, then switch on to the next.

I'll be doing this starting from the top of the playerslist tomorrow. For giggles, I'll fabricate stuff on me today.

HoS: LoHa

Uhmm LoHa ... you. .. ah.

I got nothing

[SilverWolf]

I think a newbie scumgame meta read of GM might be beneficial at some point to see how she treats her partners, pair that with the VCA and with the ISO's/interactions and hopefully find a more obvious suspect than what I have right now.

I'd rather do this than tunnel each player for two days. I mean, unless I find someone who I actually think is scum doing this analysis outside of lordj or maybe Ether. That's pretty much my order right now before doing this. lordj, Ether, OceanWind, Sakura but we'll see.

[Sakura Hana]

We only have 1 more ML left however, 6 alive, if wrong > 4 tomorrow MyLo.
I want to narrow it down as much as possible but i have to admit i have a hard time figuring out the gamestate... like i still see Ether as the only possibility.

[Sakura Hana]

But then agian, Ether's most likely town for that thing she did yesterday... UGH THIS GAME, IS GIVING ME A HEADACHE.

[Ether]

So...here's where I am.

I'm pretty sure Sakura is town. She was first on the goodmorning lynch and had a ton of chances to back down on it, and actively kept pushing. I found her Day 2 play kind of exasperating, but I think it's a town kind of exasperating from her, like...knowing that she tends to draw more heat when she's town? I wouldn't be surprised if things like her fight with me or weird VCA unvote or getting so caught up in arguing theory with OceanWind that she missed me hammering Mightymandarin are why. Just...a really visible kind of weird that I can totally see being taken the wrong way.

I'm pretty sure SilverWolf is town. My gut had a huge hand in this, this is the read that I've had the longest and questioned the least, but it's still going strong. She wavered on the goodmorning lynch the most, but it still feels pretty sincere to me. Little things like worrying about forcing too many claims (740) cement that. I think she's the experienced player who was the most worried about the no kill--like I said, I actually can see a reason for an experienced player to do it, but I don't think she'd want to draw attention to it if it were

her

reason. Also, I read somewhere that she was more active as town, so I checked her activity rates in recent games, and, uh, at some point this got out of hand and there's going to be a table on it later.

[/Ether]

(Also also, now that I'm thinking about it, goodmorning's fixation on SilverWolf toward the end makes sense as making up an excuse not to be voting lordj instead, back before he had any other votes on him and he was supposedly in her probably-scum section.)

I'm pretty sure OceanWind is town. He was on the goodmorning lynch early, and his behavior toward me around her...as scum it would have made sense to tie me to her, it would have been an easy position to take, but from the start he was consistently more worried about what it'd say if goodmorning flipped town. 793 is just really bold if he's scum.

...

I guess this is like Sakura's bet. I'm not the sort of person who can just sit by knowing that I've been shoehorned into everyone's second place. And I was worried about it coming to that last night, but...

Seeing SilverWolf and Sakura getting paranoid makes me a lot less paranoid, actually. And having typed all that out, I can't really see it not being lordj. I think I'm ready to just go ahead with this lynch whenever the rest of you are. I'm biased--not having to figure out my own alignment doesn't hurt, and for me another night phase would just tell me more about what I'm up against. But yeah. Just...if lordj does flip town, give me a chance?

vote: lordj210

[Malakittens]

Official Vote Count

lordj210

(2): LoHa, Ether

Not Voting

(4): Sakura Hana, lordj210, OceanWind, SilverWolf

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2015-11-20 00:00:00)

[Ether]

there's going to be a table on it

So the table was less conclusive than I was hoping. Still town, but not the "HOLY SHIT I HAVE DISCOVERED THE SECRET TO READING SILVERWOLF FOREVER" breakthrough I thought it was going to be when I decided that making a table was a good idea.

But still.

[SilverWolf]

there's going to be a table on it

So the table was less conclusive than I was hoping. Still town, but not the "HOLY SHIT I HAVE DISCOVERED THE SECRET TO READING SILVERWOLF FOREVER" breakthrough I thought it was going to be when I decided that making a table was a good idea.

But still.

If it's activity level, that varies a lot for me and is dependent on gamestate and how busy I am in RL moreso than alignment usually. I have scumgames where I was super active and involved and town games where I wasn't much. So the line, I'm more active as town isn't necessarily the case. I try not to be too predictable meta wise if I can help it.

[SilverWolf]

Does anyone care if I L-1 lordj? I can't really see it being anyone else right now. Everyone else is solid town after looking at ISO's.

GM could of very easily voted lordj at the end there simply so we assume the cw to her is town and to make him look better because she knew her flip was likely. I can totally see that as a valid strategy to save him after she's gone.

We really should of lynched him yesterday and I certainly don't want him at lylo if he is town.

I really don't want to vote anyone else.

[SilverWolf]

Also, GM voting him would of helped her tremendously if he would of flipped instead of her. There really is not downside to pushing her scumbuddy in that scenario and I think this is exactly what happened.

[OceanWind]

I agree. I forgot I didn't vote lordj. I think we've heard from everyone so I'm down to vote/lynch him. Hopefully this ends the game.

[OceanWind]

VOTE: lordj

That's L-1.

[SilverWolf]

Intent to Hammer

I'll do it tomorrow just in case Sakura still has something to say, she's the only one I can think of that might want to say something else.

Also, lordj should say something as well just in case this is town to help us going forward.

I really hope it wins the game though. I think it will.

[Sakura Hana]

Yeaaah no, i want to at least do some VCA, i just have been

lazy

busy. And we still have over a week.

[SilverWolf]

I can wait but after ISOing everyone and looking at the ISO's of everyone with GM, I really don't see myself voting for anyone else at this time.

But if you come up with a convincing alternative, I'm more than willing to listen.

[LoHa]

As your beloved conftown PR mayor, I commence the tunnel-session of

OceanWind

. I invite everyone to play along, especially OW (defend yourself to the best of your abilities, don't say stuff like I already answered this if you haven't in the timeframe starting this moment).

Make-believe rules:

You (every one except OceanWind) are a cheater and have acquired the knowledge of OceanWind's alignment being scum.
Now, you're not in it for the thrill of finding scum anymore, you're in it for the bragging rights of having strongarmed said scum's lynch with supposedly hawk-eye observation, masterful deductive skills and beautifully persuasive arguments, leading to an ace-attorney-like conclusion-climax. Nobody will ever suspect that you were already in hindsight-mode.

HoS: OceanWind

This makes things a bit harder. I thought the game was in the bag but someone's playing well as scum.

Lol

UNVOTE: MoosyDoosy
VOTE: Lordj

My townread here is the weakest. Everyone who were voting Lordj is a townread, claimed JK, or was the counterwagon and there were also a lot of people willing to switch either way (SilverWolf, Sakura). GoodMorning and Lordj crossvoting isn't out of the question and scum-scum wagons are good for scum to get them out of a sticky situation if both are caught.

Everyone's a townread, well isn't that cute. This is scum not wanting to step on any toes.

VOTE: MoosyDossy

Can't see anyone else being scum really for various reasons. LoHa is conftown. SilverWolf's and Sakura Hana's play towards the end would be difficult to fake. I'm townreading MightyMandarin independent of GoodMorning. I can't see Ether as a logical GoodMorning partner. She looks bad and says all the wrong things to the point I almost believe she wouldn't have said them if she was scum. Lordj is one I want to read over before lynching as he's the only person who I'm not townreading for his play but I think two scumwagons are unlikely.

Happens to vote for the PR claiming nothing but PoE, despite proving he is invested in the game with them catch-up posts and whatnot.

Happens to vote for the guy he lined up, claiming he has to read him, after the claim, again with nothing but PoE. Looks like he lied about wanting to read.

He says Mighty Mandarin is a townread, so why did we lynch MM instead of lordj yesterday? If a real townie would've had a townread on him I would've expected a vehement defense. I don't recall that having happened.

The bus

Why did GM unvote and then revote me? Because she decided she wants to be bussed. Coincidentally?? this is when you step out of your cryogenic lurking state. You knew I was town but didn't want to have to defend me nor have to participate in the mislynch and after I claimed you were still probing whether I'll go after GM or just forget about it in my tunnel frenzy.

If you've done nothing then there's nothing to point out.

Dastardly clever of you.

I bet I'm twirling my exaggeratedly long moustache in your imagination right now, but that's just bad. What do you think of my push on Sakura besides the fact that it doesn't exist and are you still rumaging on a meta read on her?

ruminating

Her apoptosis is sealed so you start hacking at her and then aggressively go after her using stuff that has been said either by me or Sakura in 642, 674 and 680

Sweettalking SW because she looks like an endgame candidate:

387 (SilverWolf) - It seemed to me at first that SilverWolf was maneuvering around GoodMorning but by this point, I see it more as GoodMorning maneuvering around SilverWolf with SilverWolf as the aggressor and GoodMorning trying to fend her off.

Not sweettalking Ether because she doesn't.

I'm on to you

[lordj210]

Intent to Hammer

I'll do it tomorrow just in case Sakura still has something to say, she's the only one I can think of that might want to say something else.

Also, lordj should say something as well just in case this is town to help us going forward.

I really hope it wins the game though. I think it will.

all i got to say is look at SW im a VT

[SilverWolf]

I agree. I forgot I didn't vote lordj. I think we've heard from everyone so I'm down to vote/lynch him. Hopefully this ends the game.

IF lordj is town, does anyone find the quick L-1 after I said I'd vote lordj odd from OceanWind here? The timing of this post was almost immediately after I said I'd vote lordj.