Mini 1717 Alfred Hitchcock UPick [GAME OVER]

[Antihero]

It's sad, when a mother has to speak the words that condemn her own son. But I couldn't allow them to believe that I would commit murder. They'll put him away now, as I should have years ago. He was always bad, and in the end he intended to tell them I killed those girls and that man... as if I could do anything but just sit and stare, like one of his stuffed birds. They know I can't move a finger, and I won't. I'll just sit here and be quiet, just in case they do... suspect me. They're probably watching me. Well, let them. Let them see what kind of a person I am. I'm not even going to swat that fly. I hope they are watching... they'll see. They'll see and they'll know, and they'll say, "Why, she wouldn't even harm a fly..."

Psycho

Vote Count 3.1

farside22 - 1 (Nachomamma8)
Nachomamma8 - 3 (Davsto, EspeciallyTheLies, hiplop)
Thor665 - 1 (farside22)

Not Voting: Ankamius, massive, Thor665, Vedith


5 to lynch
Deadline:(expired on 2015-11-18 22:48:18)

[Vedith]

Sure - Cat did basically the same thing though.

Yeah I'm not convinced that Cata is town either still.

Also, remind me why Nacho is being voted?

[Vedith]

Also, remind me why Nacho is being voted?

And the voters, not you, Thor. XD

[Thor665]

Yeah I'm not convinced that Cata is town either still.

It was a pretty aggressive bus on his part if he is - I don't think that's worth pursuing for a few phases yet.

[Vedith]

You've changed your tune...
Keep in mind the role that was flipped. Didn't you have a theory on it?

[Thor665]

You've changed your tune...

Yes, it is very strange how a scum flip of the person my top scumspect was hard pushing for about a phase and a half appears to have caused me to rethink my reads...

Keep in mind the role that was flipped. Didn't you have a theory on it?

Nothing that affects my reads - do you?

[farside22]

It's sad, when a mother has to speak the words that condemn her own son. But I couldn't allow them to believe that I would commit murder. They'll put him away now, as I should have years ago. He was always bad, and in the end he intended to tell them I killed those girls and that man... as if I could do anything but just sit and stare, like one of his stuffed birds. They know I can't move a finger, and I won't. I'll just sit here and be quiet, just in case they do... suspect me. They're probably watching me. Well, let them. Let them see what kind of a person I am. I'm not even going to swat that fly. I hope they are watching... they'll see. They'll see and they'll know, and they'll say, "Why, she wouldn't even harm a fly..."

Psycho

By far my favorite pic of Norman Bates.
So creepy and perfect. Great, great actor.

[farside22]

Considering Pist tried to push on Dav and then when no one was agreeing he switched his vote/focus straight off.
I think that was a good enough case alone.

Sure - Cat did basically the same thing though.

I'd been scum reading pist since day 1 so I don't get how I lack reason I just don't feel like repeating things that no one reads.

Methinks you doth protest too much - especially for such a late vote on him.

Do you see it now?

No.

buddy-buddy Day 1

Have you ever caught me as scum using this tell?
I remember you using it to suspect me in the Crosstown where you neighborized me, and I remember you using it to suspect me in zakk's mini normal, but I don't remember you calling me "buddy-buddy" as scum.

Okay, if we want to analyze this meta quicksand, let's start at the actual basics - what games have I played with you where I was town and you were scum?

One reads list is not a reflection of how much paranoia I have of you as a player.

Sure - but you clearly have not extroverted any paranoia towards me at all this game.

If it makes you feel better, I didn't like how you jumped to my lynch as easily as you have and you certainly aren't far off the list if either farside or Vedith happen to be town!

I "jumped" to you yesterday - the only surprise is how much support there is for you today from people making fun of my reads.
I don't follow this point at all.

VOTE: Pistachio

I need to work on skimming better or reading when things happen.
I thought pist was calling cata scummy in one of her post and it turns out it was just a review of the player.

That said pist comments really didn't sway me away from scum reading her. I voted Nacho most because he is a scum read. I'm more happy with my pist scum read over nacho.

vote: pistachi0n

No need to lie about my vote there thor.
There is wonderful search function. I voted for pist at the start and then moved to nacho and back to pist at the end.
Saying my vote was late is a stretch just to make yourself look better there.

[Thor665]

There is wonderful search function. I voted for pist at the start and then moved to nacho and back to pist at the end.
Saying my vote was late is a stretch just to make yourself look better there.

So your slide onto Nacho and then back onto Pist gives you both reason and clear scum read there?
No, it does neither.
Hiplop also lacked reason, but he had clear intent - you did not, and do not.

What do you think is the "lie" there?

[EspeciallyTheLies]

farside is town. massive is town. Dav is town. ank is town.

remaining is Thor vesdith hiplop and nacho, two of which are guaranteed scum.

nacho goes today.

[hiplop]

etl im town you fuck

[EspeciallyTheLies]

etl im town you fuck

.....

quite the overreaction to "here's some PoE"

wtf is your problem? you're acting like it's so damn obvious a player who has little to no experience playing with you should be able to see it... when it's not.

[hiplop]

I'm sorry when I typed that it seemed more jokey and less assholey

I'm sorry! Didn't mean it like how it came off

[hiplop]

I really like you as a player

[hiplop]

And feel bad

[farside22]

There is wonderful search function. I voted for pist at the start and then moved to nacho and back to pist at the end.
Saying my vote was late is a stretch just to make yourself look better there.

So your slide onto Nacho and then back onto Pist gives you both reason and clear scum read there?
No, it does neither.
Hiplop also lacked reason, but he had clear intent - you did not, and do not.

What do you think is the "lie" there?

I didn't lack reason.
Your whole argument back was meta in regards to pist, which means Jack.
I also had points on Nacho during the game.

Saying I lacked reason is false.
Saying I switched back with no reason is false.

[Thor665]

My argument was that your case was based on a playstyle without being aware of Pist's playstyle or caring about it.
That is a valid issue - and does show the emptiness of your case.

Saying you lacked reason is neither true or false, it is an opinion, but it is one I have held for a while and defended with enough validity to support my statement.
And, yes, I think you did just switch back with no reason (functionally your reason was, at best "yay, more votes on this scumspect as opposed to other one" except you're not claiming that now and trying to play up some deeper design, which looks skeevy to me) when I think your initial push was weak and the Nacho leap potentially opportunistic.

[Thor665]

Like, if your first reply to me here was "I suspected him, and then switched to a stronger wagon and switched back when there was more pressure on Pistach" it would sound honest to me - because that's what a town would be thinking.

But you're trying to defend your "case" on him and complaining that you were a strong pusher on him when, at best, you were a supporting sheep.
And, hint, supporting sheep is *also* what scum tend to do, and *also also* what bussing scum often look like.

[Davsto]

All of this I'm seeing but nothing's changed my mind on Nacho still. Jsyk.

[Thor665]

I would like to see Ank, massive, and Vedith show up and at least offer top scumspect of the moment.
That would advance the game a bit more.

[hiplop]

Keep in mins- pistachio was an incredibly valuable scum role

I definitely can see scum sticking neck out to keep him safe, fwiw!

[farside22]

My argument was that your case was based on a playstyle without being aware of Pist's playstyle or caring about it.
That is a valid issue - and does show the emptiness of your case.

Saying you lacked reason is neither true or false, it is an opinion, but it is one I have held for a while and defended with enough validity to support my statement.
And, yes, I think you did just switch back with no reason (functionally your reason was, at best "yay, more votes on this scumspect as opposed to other one" except you're not claiming that now and trying to play up some deeper design, which looks skeevy to me) when I think your initial push was weak and the Nacho leap potentially opportunistic.

You were making points on hippy with the same thought process's so....?

My scum read didn't magically change, I even explained myself on why I switched off of pist.
I also made points on Nacho, switching between 2 scum reads is normal.
Your making this about a vote on 2 players I was scum reading at the time.
If a wagon is going on one I'll vote there, if players aren't going to listen or argue about my reads and I see a wagon on my other scum read I'll vote there.

[farside22]

Also I didn't really think it was necessary to say all that as in my view it was pretty clear day 2 what I did and why.

[Thor665]

Keep in mins- pistachio was an incredibly valuable scum role

I definitely can see scum sticking neck out to keep him safe, fwiw!

Meh, he was only valuable based on his ability to survive late game versus the initial ninja.
But I do agree with you that he doesn't seem a likely hard bus target yesterday - not that I think anyone is arguing differently?

You were making points on hippy with the same thought process's so....?

Yes - you have noted that the scumtells I use are ones I believe in. What of it?
If you have a 100% accuracy scumtell I'd like to hear it.

My scum read didn't magically change, I even explained myself on why I switched off of pist.
I also made points on Nacho, switching between 2 scum reads is normal.
Your making this about a vote on 2 players I was scum reading at the time.

Again, methinks you doth protest too much.
I have listed Nacho as my prime scumspect for today.
I listed you as the most opportunistic scum vote on Pist at a point I was calling out he wagon as scum driven yesterday prior o flip.
Why are you remotely tense about that and trying to claim how uber town you should look to me today?

[Antihero]

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