MAFIACEPTION GAME OVER! Flawless Victory!

[Gorkington]

i think a quickwagon would be fun to read d2.

[Spiffeh]

VOTE: Titus

I like Titus wagons

Mario is still scum

[Spiffeh]

Gork I am scum reading Mario because he acted like he did some really in depth meta dive on me when he didn't.

[Ranger]

Caught up, not much to say on the rest though.

Ask questions if you'd like.

May list later.

[Marquis]

VOTE: anatole

this is part of my "titus is a fallback guaranteed scum lynch" thing and not wanting to end day yet and also i think the anatole wagon is productive and has at least 50% as high scumlynch potential.

(btw anatole in response to your 203 and on, i did explain my scumread on you, which was really rly clear if you were reading into my posts, but i don't think you were and i think you're just looking for questions you can ask to look like it's to "generate discussion" or whatever. basically your whole slew of posts in response to the building pressure on you are completely useless. which on its own isn't a scumtell. but it's clearly designed to look helpful/concerned, and there's absolutely nothing there in the fake-content that's intended to help you form reads or analysis. no matter how lazy, town is always trying to figure

something

out and you're just minor-less-relevant-details-concerned)

feel free to keep bringing this up with me and reminding me of it. strongest scumread and i'm not voting for her, i fucking know it. but it's too much too soon. lynch her soon.

pedit fuuuuuuuuuuuuuu i love the anatole pressure but

unhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

VOTE: titus

ok i can't resist being on a scum lynch no matter what, sorry not sorry @ day 1

[Gorkington]

i dont agree with you spiff sorry man.
if mario is town im pretty confident that he'll make it obvious.
and i feel like he is town thus far. dont see why he would fake a meta dive as scum and having seen his scumgame in action, i feel like i can see where hes coming from in general.
*hitoshrug*

Caught up, not much to say on the rest though.

Ask questions if you'd like.

May list later.

tell me why you arent voting titus in three sentences or less.
;D

[Spiffeh]

Gork you are underwhelming me jsyk

[Gorkington]

wow im feeling pressured right now.

[Gorkington]

i just gave an awkward townlean explanation.
pressure me on it or something instead of smalltalk.
if youre genuinely trying to figure me out then put some effort into it.

[Bulbazak]

With maybe the exception of Anatole, I don't agree with your team at all.

its funny because i feel the opposite.

Why do you feel everyone on that list is scum?

I'm not sure if Ranger has a similar mindset as me or is buddying me. Too early to tell, and I'm not really concerned with making it a priority.

@Spiffeh: Get your vote back on Mario now!

[Gorkington]

more just poro and titus.
titus is a fucking gimme imo.
i kind of expect you not to see it though.
not that you would know why i feel that way.

[Fro99er]

Alright, I've had this nagging feeling Porochaz is scum, and I haven't been able to shake it. It started here...

Yeah, not reading anything into that, slightly scummy if anything, outting that information this early benefits scum much more than it does town. It helps direct their efforts. I think we have to play this as a normal mafia game as much as possible.

EDIT: also I assume glork is being more subtle than that with the voting mechanics.

Come now Poro this is a discussion. You should know better.

I thought maybe it might catch scum in a lie at best but I'm good with waiting for now keeping the numbers in my head on likely hood of breakdown.

Im taking it as a null-tell, Im not stupid enough to declare you scum this early two games in row!

Clearly this has some history behind it, and that Porochaz scumread Farside early on in a prior game. I feel like he knows she's town here and isn't "stupid enough to declare [her] scum" this time becuase he knows she's town and doesn't want to go down that road...just kind of a gut vibe I got from that post.

Oooh. First mention of the p word. I'll note that down. Page 4. Early.

I didn't see the point in this post. It felt like trying to throw suspicion on Ricastle. Ricastle follows up in 111 by questioning Porochaz on it, then P-chaz kind of backs off when he's challenged in 114

Just woke up, saw everyone was voting bulba so I read his ISO.
I hate it.
VOTE: bulba

This vote is horrible. Why do you hate it?

Notes that P-chaz thinks pepto's vote is horrible...

Urgh, that wagon is awful.

And that the Bulba wagon is awful...

Yet...

Farside, this was one of the problems I had with you last game and why I thought you were scum. (Oldie Mafia) I think you read things to quickly and misinterpret them.

Others have explained what happened clearly, if you are going to vote anyone for that reason, try this post -

Vote Marquis

Gorkington and Frogger are probably town. Mario is probably scum.

Drixx is definitely scum.

No clue on Porochaz. Farside, Spiffeh, and Titus are town.

Admittedly I stopped reading around Frogger's post, because I'm tired. I'll look at it when I'm at work tomorrow. I might also decide to setup spec if Farside is still into it, because you all seem to not understand what's going on. Although that does remind me that Dong is town.

Will kinda be floating around for a few minutes. I don't promise to be in my right mind.

...encourages Farside that if she is voting someone for that reason then she should vote for Bulba. P-chaz even took the effort to underline the "Drixx is definitely scum" part. while true that if farside should be voting someone for that reason it should be Bulba, why encourage Farside toward a wagon you hate? That part I don't get.

[Fro99er]

MarioManiac4 5 - 1 (Spiffeh, Ranger, farside22,

Fro99er

, Bulbazak)
Bulbazak 4 + 2 (Albert B. Rampage, MarioManiac4, Titus, Ricastle) (+Fro99er, Peptobislawl)
Fro99er 4 (Gorkington, Marquis, Porochaz, Anatole Kuragin)

One of these wagons is good.

The other two are filled with scum.

Take a guess as to which is which.

This is interesting. Clearly there's scum in there. Which wagons are they littered on? Two? All three? Those are Marquis' three townreads from 128 it should be noted. I'm assuming if Marquis had to reconsider one of those, it would be Mario?

I do think Farside, Bulba, and Spiffeh are town (least confident on Spiffeh). Ranger seems town enough from that analysis. I'm town. I'm not sold on Mario town - I still didn't like his approach to me during RVS, and the push on Spiffeh was awkward.

Porochaz/Anatole/Mario all seem like good scum candidates.

[Fro99er]

Also...

@Mod V/LA until Thursday because stupid work meetings

Proxy: Marquis

Look at me being all hypocritical and proxying my vote now!

[Titus]

You guys can bite me. It's not even that far into Day 1. I'm not going to be hyper aggressive and yell OMG this person is scum until I'm sure I got a scumread. I don't. Hey, at least I got the wagon on Titus out of the way.

Oh and Just who the fuck am I appeasing? That's an utter crock of shit.

Katsuki votes Gorkquis (Made up name intended to draw Katsuki's attention, not effective as a vote)

[Titus]

more just poro and titus.
titus is a fucking gimme imo.
i kind of expect you not to see it though.
not that you would know why i feel that way.

Maybe cause I'm not scum. Lols.

[Titus]

Oh and just to annoy you..

V/LA till the thread hits 1000 posts or 48 hours.

Proxy vote to ABR

[Albert B. Rampage]

Titus votes: Spiffeh

Vote: Spiffeh

[MarioManiac4]

Still here
Still have a town Role PM

[Porochaz]

Yay, something to respond to. Let's see.

Alright, I've had this nagging feeling Porochaz is scum, and I haven't been able to shake it. It started here...

Yeah, not reading anything into that, slightly scummy if anything, outting that information this early benefits scum much more than it does town. It helps direct their efforts. I think we have to play this as a normal mafia game as much as possible.

EDIT: also I assume glork is being more subtle than that with the voting mechanics.

Come now Poro this is a discussion. You should know better.

I thought maybe it might catch scum in a lie at best but I'm good with waiting for now keeping the numbers in my head on likely hood of breakdown.

Im taking it as a null-tell, Im not stupid enough to declare you scum this early two games in row!

Clearly this has some history behind it, and that Porochaz scumread Farside early on in a prior game. I feel like he knows she's town here and isn't "stupid enough to declare [her] scum" this time becuase he knows she's town and doesn't want to go down that road...just kind of a gut vibe I got from that post.

It's for the reasons, which I touched upon as well. I declared farside as scum pretty early on in Oldie Mafia, on a case that was about word choice opportunism. It was compounded later with misunderstandings and emotional tells, what it taught me about playing with farside is that I have to take a step back when reading her, because in that game, in the end, we were both town. Which is what I'm saying here, with farside I'm not going to rush into reading her as scum or town.

Oooh. First mention of the p word. I'll note that down. Page 4. Early.

I didn't see the point in this post. It felt like trying to throw suspicion on Ricastle. Ricastle follows up in 111 by questioning Porochaz on it, then P-chaz kind of backs off when he's challenged in 114

Yep, it's a crappy post. Happy to admit that one. I don't like people linking people early on with no evidence. I feel quite often it isn't conducive to good scum hunting. That said, a lot of my game is based on going back over and rereading things because one of my weaknesses is not taking things in a larger context and jumping on small things. When questioned I went back and read more carefully.

Just woke up, saw everyone was voting bulba so I read his ISO.
I hate it.
VOTE: bulba

This vote is horrible. Why do you hate it?

Notes that P-chaz thinks pepto's vote is horrible...

Urgh, that wagon is awful.

And that the Bulba wagon is awful...

No. You missed the point of this post. In 138, Titus used proxy!Kat's vote to wagon herself, I was referring to that wagon being awful, not the Bulba one. That post had nothing to do with Bulba. It was a joke in relation to Titus.

Yet...

Farside, this was one of the problems I had with you last game and why I thought you were scum. (Oldie Mafia) I think you read things to quickly and misinterpret them.

Others have explained what happened clearly, if you are going to vote anyone for that reason, try this post -

Vote Marquis

Gorkington and Frogger are probably town. Mario is probably scum.

Drixx is definitely scum.

No clue on Porochaz. Farside, Spiffeh, and Titus are town.

Admittedly I stopped reading around Frogger's post, because I'm tired. I'll look at it when I'm at work tomorrow. I might also decide to setup spec if Farside is still into it, because you all seem to not understand what's going on. Although that does remind me that Dong is town.

Will kinda be floating around for a few minutes. I don't promise to be in my right mind.

...encourages Farside that if she is voting someone for that reason then she should vote for Bulba. P-chaz even took the effort to underline the "Drixx is definitely scum" part. while true that if farside should be voting someone for that reason it should be Bulba, why encourage Farside toward a wagon you hate? That part I don't get.

There was a misunderstanding. She had thought that Ricastle had said it, when it was Bulba. I'm stating fact there, not opinion. I am not encouraging her to do anything. That said, I don't hate the Bulba wagon, I considered joining it and was going to dependant on Bulbas answer to my question, (which he didn't answer, got to go back and ask again), I did hate Pepto's vote onto that wagon, which didn't seem thought through and was opportunistic, but beyond that, no issue with the Bulba wagon.

[Porochaz]

Still here
Still have a town Role PM

You are starting to annoy me,

It's time to make a case not based on quantity of content.

[Porochaz]

I'm getting tired of this prevailing thought of anybody with reads in the early game must be scum. That's just lazy. Questioning me on it I get. That wagon though was scum led. As far as Ricastle, I said that I was a little unsure there too. I just have gotten some bad vibes, but I may be biased. I'm not too interested in looking there now, but I do think that there's another scum besides Mario on me, and we'll need to refer to the wagon later to find them.

I don't have an issue with scumreads early what I have an issue with is being absolutely sure of your reads that early.

You called Drixx definite scum. That's a very assured statement. One that I don't think you can have that early as town.

@Bulba, I want to know the why's behind all of your reads, particularly the ABR one.

Actually, you did answer this in 210. Ok so in 82 you voted Marquis, you say in 210 that you "town harded" on him and changed your vote accordingly but the only post made from Marquis in that time was 89 -

sorry bulba but you're wrong.

would be best if u cut this off here.

Can you tell me how this post changed your mind?

The only thing that kept me from voting there is that I have misread Drixx in the past, and I am more confident in my belief of scum being somewhere in that block of 4 voters.

But you called him definite scum. If you have misread him in the past, why call him definite scum? Surely there is a contradiction there? I mean you already used "probably town" to describe Gorkington and Frogger and "probably scum" for Mario, so despite your misgivings there had to be a stronger feeling in regards to Drixx.

I am trying to work out your thought process here, because your explanation is inconsistent with what you are actually saying. You don't call someone definite scum and others only probably scum when you have fears that you are going to misread them.

I get your point in regards to ABR, which makes sense and was the person I was most interested in, thanks. However, from ABR's point of view, if he is V/LA, I can see why he would proxy the vote over, to see what she would do with it.

(as an aside, I hate proxy-ing)

[Porochaz]

Why is dong town?

Why isnt he, officer?

anatole vs pere.
the supposed potential scum-motivations in both of their votes.

Meh
Pere guys vote didnt alerted me but anatoles vote was shitty
So i guess pere null anatole guy slight scummy

i was wrong apparently
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Bulbazak

Backtrack harder

That isn't my post 151 you have quoted. I'm not sure what you are saying there in any case. Can you reformat this post for me?

[Gorkington]

You guys can bite me. It's not even that far into Day 1. I'm not going to be hyper aggressive and yell OMG this person is scum until I'm sure I got a scumread. I don't. Hey, at least I got the wagon on Titus out of the way.

Oh and Just who the fuck am I appeasing? That's an utter crock of shit.

Katsuki votes Gorkquis (Made up name intended to draw Katsuki's attention, not effective as a vote)

Maybe cause I'm not scum. Lols.

this is titus being frustrated at being caught d1 as scum again.
not titus being frustrated at being wagoned in general.
weeeeeeeeeeeee.
its almost boring how easy this was.

[Gorkington]

for the record, i dont expect towntitus to be screaming about people being scum.
i do expect her to try and actually pressure people in a way that feels real.