Blitz 3: Dead of Winter Mafia - Game Over

[Expedience]

I mean that entire post is projection. You just quote something I did and find a reason I'd do it as scum.

But I thought it was all meta. Explain how my reasoning in 455 is flawed, reachy, wrong, etc.

Also, uh, what else could a case be than quoting someone and giving reasons why they'd do it as scum. I mean, it sounds manipulative because of how you've phrased it but that is pretty much what the game is about.

[Davsto]

But stuff like when I put the vote on Ranger before I went to bed, you immediately jump to paint it as the potential scum motivation rather than me, you know, wanting to vote Ranger.

I never said it was all meta, don't misrepresent me, I just said your meta case on me was a flat-out lie.

[A Royal Saint]

Question to the both of Davsto and Expedience:

1) Would you go up in a 1v1 against the other person?
2) In your world, who is the partner?

@Exedience -- Yes I thought you were town but that was earlier in the game when Gameplay/Firebringer seemed like caught scum. Now I am reassessing everything. I will state who I think is town when ready.

[Davsto]

1) I'd rather just Expedience be lynched but... I guess.
2) I'll avoid opening that can of worms until after Expedience flips. Speculating partners ahead of time rarely ends well, especially when I have basically no other scumreads.

[Expedience]

But stuff like when I put the vote on Ranger before I went to bed, you immediately jump to paint it as the potential scum motivation rather than me, you know, wanting to vote Ranger.

My interpretation makes more sense considering how you didn't vote Ranger in the first place after showing suspicion towards her. It shows more of a mind towards your appearances than finding scum: if you really thought Ranger was suspicious why not vote her at the first opportunity because if you find someone scummy then you should pressure them.

Sure, it's not a strong reason on its own because a town member can easily do things like that, but it still leans towards you being scum more than it leans towards you being town.

I never said it was all meta, don't misrepresent me, I just said your meta case on me was a flat-out lie.

You completely ignored almost the entirety of the case then, only responding to the slight amount of meta I used. My "meta case" was a single sentence saying that you were acting uncharacteristically. You then gave reasons for why you were acting uncharacteristically, sure, fine, I understand and won't read you using meta if you have real life stuff going on. The meta case is not relevant to your alignment, we have established that.

It was not a flat-out lie in any case, I maintain that you were more engaged in the other game than this one. I don't see how something that subjective could even be a lie.

[Expedience]

1) Would you go up in a 1v1 against the other person?

Not sure what this means? I'm arguing with him already and he's already

OMGUS'ed

counter-accused

me.

2) In your world, who is the partner?

Not sure. Probably one of the others I haven't yet sorted (Scorpious / hiplop / davesaz).

[Netherspite]

Official Vote Count

hiplop

(2): Klingoncelt, Ranger

Expedience

(2): Firebringer, Davsto

Davsto

(1): Expedience

Makoto Nanaya

(1): The_Jester

Firebringer

(1): Scorpious

Klingoncelt

(1): pisskop

Not Voting

(5): Makoto Nanaya, The Silver Bard, hiplop, davesaz, A Royal Saint

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2015-11-11 12:43:01)

[Scorpious]

What's your opinion on Makoto?

She doesn't ping me as scum..

[Expedience]

I should probably include this which I forgot to mention earlier:

Can I ask who said that the post restriction is Kling's secret wincon? That seems like a logical leap.

I understand the rule against claiming / hinting post restrictions, so I won't go too far into this. I will just say that, unless Davsto has both a post restriction and an unrelated secondary wincon (which I don't know whether he does or not and he shouldn't claim), I consider it more likely that Davsto made this comment with scum knowledge of every secondary wincon than just with the town knowledge of his own.

[Expedience]

Scorpious, you should vote either me or Davsto. We have 19 hours.

[A Royal Saint]

Why is hiplop not an option? They are also a top wagon?

Still reassessing and likely won't be done til late since doing the work Role PM thing

[Expedience]

Why is hiplop not an option? They are also a top wagon?

I'm fine with hiplop too. But I thought this was what you meant by the 1v1 thing.

He should really just move his vote off Fire though.

[A Royal Saint]

Why is hiplop not an option? They are also a top wagon?

I'm fine with hiplop too. But I thought this was what you meant by the 1v1 thing.

He should really just move his vote off Fire though.

I said willing. I was assessing confidence levels. But that is the general idea.

Scorpious -- Please give your thoughts on the day so far.

[Scorpious]

I do not like hipolop voting celt.. seems way too easy

VOTE: Davsto

I don't like it that much. This is also an "easy" wagon.. But I have gut town on Ex

[Expedience]

scum pool right now is Ex,Gp,and maybe saint..

VOTE: expedience

But I have gut town on Ex

What changed between these quotes?

[A Royal Saint]

Gotta run again will read late tonight in more detail.

Scorpious -- Name something you do like.

[Scorpious]

my original vote on you was crap at best. I knew I was going to be away for the weekend.

Given the current options,you seem less likely to be scum,..

Pedit-@Saint, The Giants

[Davsto]

I should probably include this which I forgot to mention earlier:

Can I ask who said that the post restriction is Kling's secret wincon? That seems like a logical leap.

I understand the rule against claiming / hinting post restrictions, so I won't go too far into this. I will just say that, unless Davsto has both a post restriction and an unrelated secondary wincon (which I don't know whether he does or not and he shouldn't claim), I consider it more likely that Davsto made this comment with scum knowledge of every secondary wincon than just with the town knowledge of his own.

I'd argue that you instantly assuming that it was Kling's secondary wincon is more likely to come from scum with knowledge of the wincons, since I imagine most players instead assuming that it is just, you know, part of the role.

[A Royal Saint]

my original vote on you was crap at best. I knew I was going to be away for the weekend.

Given the current options,you seem less likely to be scum,..

Pedit-@Saint, The Giants

I mean relevant to the thread Scorpious. Name one event you do like.

[Expedience]

I should probably include this which I forgot to mention earlier:

Can I ask who said that the post restriction is Kling's secret wincon? That seems like a logical leap.

I understand the rule against claiming / hinting post restrictions, so I won't go too far into this. I will just say that, unless Davsto has both a post restriction and an unrelated secondary wincon (which I don't know whether he does or not and he shouldn't claim), I consider it more likely that Davsto made this comment with scum knowledge of every secondary wincon than just with the town knowledge of his own.

I'd argue that you instantly assuming that it was Kling's secondary wincon is more likely to come from scum with knowledge of the wincons, since I imagine most players instead assuming that it is just, you know, part of the role.

I didn't realize that post restrictions were something that were "part of the role". The only game I read a game a while ago which had post restrictions had almost everyone with one and it seemed like an aspect of the game rather than just a thing which roles could have sometimes. I agree that you're right (post restrictions are probably just part of the role because if they are secondary wincons then following them is essentially hinting them), but in this case if my assumption is wrong it is more likely to come from town.

[hiplop]

Why is hiplop not an option? They are also a top wagon?

I'm fine with hiplop too. But I thought this was what you meant by the 1v1 thing.

He should really just move his vote off Fire though.

can I just say there is reason for that

[hiplop]

I havent voted fire! I assume you meant klingon, right?

[hiplop]

im fine with expedience wagon, actually. I've read davsto's thoughts and find myself agreeing?

[Expedience]

I havent voted fire! I assume you meant klingon, right?

I meant that Scorpious should move his vote off Fire.

[A Royal Saint]

im fine with expedience wagon, actually. I've read davsto's thoughts and find myself agreeing?

Why the question mark? Either you agree or you don't. And why aren't you voting?

Will read more later tonight.