Blitz 2: The Stars My Destination Mafia- GAME OVER!

[Spiffeh]

/confirm

[Spiffeh]

Firebringer's confirm was a scum post.

Discuss.

[Spiffeh]

Yay I was right!

VOTE: Firebringer

L-2 but basically L-1 because ika will hammer sooooo

[Spiffeh]

Nos can be scum too for not addressing the FB scumminess

[Spiffeh]

FB who is scum on your wagon?

As in who are the buddies that are bussing you?

[Spiffeh]

FB do you think there are scum on your wagon?

[Spiffeh]

Yay I was right!

right about what?

Nos can be scum too for not addressing the FB scumminess

lol

About FB being scum.

And why are you still not addressing the elephant in the room?

[Spiffeh]

That's not necessarily because I always care I am right regardless of alignment.

Also I have only read this one post since I have last posted.

[Spiffeh]

not necessarily true*

Busy most of the day, but I will be back before I go to bed.

FB I want to know why you felt compelled to post this when along with your confirm.

It reads as self-conscious and the game hadn't even started yet.

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I want to get pignash mostly because that's what I would probably say if I was scum and saw a wagon building on town without my involvement.

VOTE: pignash

PEdit: Nah Ranger's first post is town I think.

[Spiffeh]

I'm honestly just confused. Don't see what makes him so scummy.

This I mean.

[Spiffeh]

Eh I guess pignash could be inexperience actually.

[Spiffeh]

Well Molla's town.

That's all you got, Mala?

The rest I wanna keep up my sleeve for now. Waiting for the purrfect time to shoot my bullet :p

See this would be fine if we actually had ample time to spare.
We don't.
Btw nice cat pun.

Eh you kinda elaborate but I'm apparently you're only scum read so booooooooooo. I don't really like that you're largely staying out of most of the discussion especially when we have such a strict time limit, and just assigning reads seemingly arbitrarily.

Given that I don't like the ABR / ika options and Firebringer might be town given the main drivers are no longer voting him

How does this reason make Firebringer town? Like it's not because you were sheeping Molla because you say you're not town reading him in the same post. So you're going to need explain that better.

I also don't like how you spend most of the post talking about other people and say "I can settle on Ranger today", it comes completely out of left field.

Don't get why people are town reading Huntress over her reaction to Nos answering her question because that seems like something really safe for scum to get passionate about. Not saying she is scum doing it but it's an extremely null reaction.

This was a shitty catch up I am finding it really difficult to get reads on people this game.
Town of varying degrees: BBmolla, ika, Nosferatu, Firebringer, Ranger?
Scum of varying degrees: pignash, Mala, talah?

Everyone else is null

PEdit: There should be more votes on pignash tho I think

[Spiffeh]

Also whoever said something about the wagon on FB dissipating quickly I think that has more to do with the short deadlines and sense of urgency than anything else.

[Spiffeh]

When did Syryana stop scum reading FB?

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Could you point me to it?

[Spiffeh]

I'll wagon Kid.

I can concede that pignash looks like noob town. And I like wagons.

VOTE: Kid A

[Spiffeh]

Ok

VOTE: talah

[Spiffeh]

Wow I just realized how awful the Syryana wagon is.

[Spiffeh]

@Mala I find Spiffeh one of the most active scumhunters here right now. Interesting you have such a drastic different read on him than me. And that you are townreading ABR...

I don't believe you think this for some reason.

[Spiffeh]

I really don't like that post.

PEdit: How about BBymolla?

[Spiffeh]

ika is town af

[Spiffeh]

So this was the post that pinged me. I went back and looked at his games to see whether or not he did something similar in them. He's never played a game on site where we confirm first in thread.

I haven't ever heard him use the term "discuss". I have seen him use other similar things in his towngames/scumgames, but never discuss.

The reason why this pinged me was from when Iec was coaching me during TM. I did something similar and happened to be scum there and that's one of the things that Iec was saying that fueled someone's scum read on me. (i can't believe I'm blanking on her name rn).

So that's what my base of the scum read on Spiffeh is. I also don't really like how he dropped the FB wagon the minute it kinda went cold.

I'm just far more certain that Spiffeh will flip scum than anyone else rn.

What exactly is your point of your "discuss" argument? Because I think it's a bit of a stretch to say I'm scum because I have never used that word before. (If that's not what you're saying then please explain it more clearly)

I'm pretty sure I said something similar in a completed town game of mine so idk if this argument holds much weight either way. I like to draw hasty conclusions (or at least seem that way itt) on things early to get the ball rolling. I could link the game I'm talking about and expand on this if you want.

And yes I did drop the FB wagon quickly and like I said before there's no time to just sit on dying wagons, especially when I have such an abundance of null reads, and I was satisfied with the FB-town arguments being presented by Molla.

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ika is mostly gut but I'm pretty confident in it.

I feel like I know town ika and this is it.

[Spiffeh]

He wasnt at all committed to the fb wagon but acts like he was retrospectively for town cred, also does literally whatever bbsyra tells him

Um can you point to posts that make you feel like I wasn't committed to the FB wagon because I cannot see how you are seeing it that way. That is like the most ridiculous point I have seen on anyone in this game so far. I even ISO'd myself because I know I can be a contradictory fuck and even objectively it looks clear to me that I was pretty serious about Firebringer. I do regret putting him to my town reads so quickly though because I am not a fan of his post that basically buddies me without justification.

And yes I am fine with doing what Molla and Syry tell me to if it's something I agree with myself. I'm scum reading talah (albeit not very strongly) and wagons are life so I hopped on.

Yeah are we sure we don't want to wagon Kid A?

[Spiffeh]

pignash I know you're new to this site but are you new to mafia as a whole?

[Spiffeh]

@Mala I find Spiffeh one of the most active scumhunters here right now. Interesting you have such a drastic different read on him than me. And that you are townreading ABR...

But seriously Firebringer what makes you feel this way because from what I've presented in the thread I would disagree with you.

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pignash what are your thoughts on Mala, Molla, and talah?

I chose them because they rhyme.

[Spiffeh]

I approve of pignash.

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Mala can you respond to my post addressed to you?

[Spiffeh]

Me.

[Spiffeh]

So to be clear the word "discuss" is what pinged you specifically.

Because if that's the case there doesn't seem to be much I can do.

What do you think of the rest of my contribution?

[Spiffeh]

I was under the impression votes didn't count until the game actually started. Which required 11 confirmations.

But it's w/e

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Why is this a thing

[Spiffeh]

DGBae <3

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Malah: could you see spiffeh and syr being mafia together?

First of all, this question is stupid with no flips.

Second of all, I made a post responding to why you're scum reading me so acknowledge it.

VOTE: Kid A

Not feeling the talah wagon anymore and I really want to condense on this guy.

[Spiffeh]

This claim is bullshit. I'm the town roleblocker.

Quoting this so everyone sees it.

VOTE: DGB

[Spiffeh]

Also talah is town.

[Spiffeh]

Where did he say mason? Also what is the point of scum counter claiming when we would immediately lynch him tomorrow if he's lying? Even if he's lying, Jailkeeper for one scum is a trade I comfortable with.

And please acknowledge my response to you.

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@Kid A
I am fully admitting to hopping off of it and going somewhere else when it started losing momentum. I have said multiple times that I want wagons and I think they are essential to finding scum with the shortened deadlines. I'm not going to dawdle on a wagon losing traction when a ton more information can be gained from hopping on another one. I don't really give a shit if it looks like opportunism, I can kind of see where you're coming from, but people need to realize that our time limit calls for this because it gives us the most information. Especially early on.

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You guys are bad if you don't vote for DGB here.

It is literally win-win

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Firebringer one of them is scum no matter what. I believe Syryana because I don't see why he would CC as scum, but even if he was scum we would still kill him at the next possible opportunity.

Unless people think two role blocking roles can both be town, which I highly doubt.

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@Kid A
I am fully admitting to hopping off of it and going somewhere else when it started losing momentum. I have said multiple times that I want wagons and I think they are essential to finding scum with the shortened deadlines. I'm not going to dawdle on a wagon losing traction when a ton more information can be gained from hopping on another one. I don't really give a shit if it looks like opportunism, I can kind of see where you're coming from, but people need to realize that our time limit calls for this because it gives us the most information. Especially early on.

why did you choose to avoid the syr wagon after you left dgb if you want wagons?

I wanted to wagon pignash because he had like two posts. I had a slight town read on Syryana and preferred to wagon someone I was null reading to actually form a read on them. I also didn't hop on the Ranger wagon that was starting up (iirc) because I thought she was town.

[Spiffeh]

Kid A if Syryana is lying we can get him tonight/tomorrow

[Spiffeh]

Like I said I tried to get a wagon going.

[Spiffeh]

I town read FB for the reasons Molla said (FB's SC2 mafia playstyle) which is why I moved my vote.

What is the scum motivation for scum Syryana counter claiming the town JK? It just makes him a shoe-in for being lynched today or tomorrow..

[Spiffeh]

You think town have two abilities that roleblock?

[Spiffeh]

I highly doubt two role blocking roles exist on the town.

If there are previous games where this is the case could you link them?

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What I want is people to explicitly say "I believe two roleblocking town players is plausible" before they opt for another lynch.

Because right now I think it's fucking dumb that people are lynching outside of DGB and Syryana.

(And I don't think Syryana is scum)

PEdit: Mala it's cute that you've been set on me for the whole game but I find it hard to believe that you have no other scum reads that you'd like to voice.

Don't be a one trick pony especially when you're wrong

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Also Kid A my flavor says nothing about Vorga and I am town so that argument doesn't hold up for me.

[Spiffeh]

Mala do you think that a town with two role blocking abilities makes sense?

[Spiffeh]

Yes

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Anyone that doesn't acknowledge the DGB vs. Syryana thing is probably scum tbh

[Spiffeh]

Nos get off of Huntress

Molla get off of talah

Mala get off of me

We have less than 24 hours left.

[Spiffeh]

Lol Huntress thanks but that was like 5/6 years ago.

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Molla why aren't you on DGB?

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FB what looks town to you about DGB? Everything about her reaction to the roleblock cc looks null to me.

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That was before you voted for her. What did she say after you voted for her that changed your mind?

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Wow talah it is awful that you didn't condense onto DGB

If DGB was town there wouldn't be so much resistance to her wagon.

[Spiffeh]

If Firebringer doesn't come back and realize he remembered things wrong he is likely scum with her.

[Spiffeh]

Firebringer vote for DGB or you are.

[Spiffeh]

There are like 3 hours left til deadline obviously no other lynch will happen.

[Spiffeh]

Ok you're scum.

Thanks for making this game easy.

You also are ignoring that your reason for town reading her is wrong because you misremembered the chronology of the situation.

And no lynching is always stupid and I actually can't believe you're letting it happen when there is overwhelming evidence as to why lynching DGB is a good move no matter the outcome (as I have outlined)

[Spiffeh]

NO LYNCHING IS SO FUCKING STUPID

YOU'RE EITHER SCUM OR PLAYING VERY POORLY

[Spiffeh]

WE'D BE IN THE EXACT SAME POSITION TOMORROW WITH AN EQUALLY AS SHORT DEADLINE. ARE WE JUST GONNA GO LIKE "OH WELL I GUESS WE GET NO LYNCH AGAIN BECAUSE I REFUSE TO COMPROMISE"

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No Huntress I think Ranger is town and there's no time.

You need to vote for DGB

Firebringer you don't fucking know welcome to mafia. You do know that my logic is sound.

[Spiffeh]

Need one more vote to hammer. If anyone that is not voting DGB and is present before deadline does not hammer (Huntress) they can have my FoS

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LOL

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Mala there's no way you still think I'm scum after I fought tooth and fucking nail for the DGB lynch yesterday

If you're town please get your act together

[Spiffeh]

Mala I'm talking about when people were acting like No Lynching was an ok thing to do

Why wouldn't I just keep my mouth shut and let time run out?

Pretend I die and flip town. Who do you lynch?

[Spiffeh]

Like seriously Mala I'm finding really hard to believe that through thirty pages your biggest scum read is your gut read from my confirm post.

Mala answer my question please.

[Spiffeh]

K

VOTE: Malakittens

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UNVOTE:

Nah she reads as stubborn town. I don't think scum down two members tries to do something so blatantly against what everyone thinks.

[Spiffeh]

You're also bad

[Spiffeh]

Yeah because frustrated maf berates Firebringer into voting for his scum buddy.

You sir have mastered the art of flip analysis.

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The sad part is I'm pretty sure at least one of you is town.

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YEAH KID A I AM NOT AT ALL CONCERNED WITH LYNCHING MAFIA

OH WAIT LET'S LOOK AT YESTERDAY AND PONDER WHERE WE WOULD BE TODAY IF I WASN'T CONCERNED WITH LYNCHING MAFIA

[Spiffeh]

Based on the scum flips I'm not lynching BBmolla, ika, Ranger, pignash, or Peregrine today.

That leaves Mala, Kid A, Firebringer, Nosferatu, and talah as lynch candidates for today.

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mainly meta for ABR
DGB because they're coming right in with pro-town play, going through the game and helping town despite a likely lynch on them

This is like the shittiest justification for a town read I have ever seen. What was pro-town about it and why wouldn't replaced-in scum try to act pro-town when being lynched. The reasons for town-reading DGB are null. What meta were you using for ABR and why did he seem town to you based on it?

[Spiffeh]

Huntress also said that Kid A defending DGB "looked more town than scum" with no explanation

The way she said that doesn't sound like scum trying to link town to flipped scum, but that he seemed town regardless of the flip. Why wouldn't she take that opportunity to try and associate the two of them if he was town?

Kid A's hardcore defense of DGB and his relationship with both flipped scum is too much to ignore and he needs to die.

VOTE: Kid A

[Spiffeh]

And now his atrocious vote on me is just him recognizing something he could feasibly push with some support (Mala's unrelentless tunneling) and probably not take all of the fall when I flip town.

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Kid A says I am more concerned with being town read than scumhunting.
I proceed to point out flipped scum's associations with him and come to the conclusion that he is scum for it.
Discredits this by saying that I still haven't done some actual scumhunting.

What do you actually consider scumhunting?
This needs to be wagoned to oblivion.

[Spiffeh]

Why do you think Kid A is town?

[Spiffeh]

Why do you think that post is town? I had the exact opposite perception.

[Spiffeh]

Dude he lost two of his scum team in one cycle.

He's gonna be pissed and he's gonna show it.

[Spiffeh]

Yeah I want Kid A lynched and Mala or talah vigged tonight

[Spiffeh]

I'd prefer Mala but that's just me

[Spiffeh]

Why?

[Spiffeh]

I'd be cool with a massclaim

[Spiffeh]

I'm not lynching talah.

Peregrine is an option.

[Spiffeh]

I don't want a Mala lynch I think she is the towniest of the people being considered rn

I still think Kid A needs death over everyone else

[Spiffeh]

Firebringer why do you say that like those are the only options?

[Spiffeh]

Why?

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Yeah Nos this whole not voting thing does not look good on you

[Spiffeh]

I am giving him a chance to say things.

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chamber I think you're scum pls convince me otherwise

[Spiffeh]

@Molla was DGB in your neighborhood?

[Spiffeh]

You can ISO me. I made it very clear when I voted for him.

[Spiffeh]

I'd think you'd be reading my posts very carefully since you're supposed to be scum reading me?

[Spiffeh]

FB is IC

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Scum was clearly trying to save DGB (Huntress trying to push the Ranger counterwagon) so I kinda doubt the other scum were on the DGB wagon (unless it was Peregrine when it it looked inevitable for town cred)

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Mala I am saying that I doubt anyone on the DGB wagon is scum because flipped scum were fighting hard to save her.

[Spiffeh]

I mean I feel like common sense should dictate that I'm pretty obvtown after the flip and it still baffles me that Mala and Kid A thought otherwise.

So yes give me my town cred and don't question me thx

[Spiffeh]

So no again you get no cred for it because you stayed FAR FAR FAR away from the ABR thing. You only voted THEN PUSHED after Syr directly cc'd DGB

Yes because that's when it became obvious.

But I am recognizing it's fruitless to continue this argument sooooooo

[Spiffeh]

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Nos you're bothering more and more as the day goes on

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As in I think you're getting scummier as the day goes on

[Spiffeh]

I'm scum reading Kid A's slot.

chamber himself is null

But I don't hate a Peregrine lynch

[Spiffeh]

This isn't multiball

[Spiffeh]

Is he not going to claim?

[Spiffeh]

This isn't multiball

[Spiffeh]

You do realize Peregrine is at L-1

Isn't that what you want?

[Spiffeh]

Peregrine seems really town in our neighborhood and I'm wondering why he isn't saying shit in here

[Spiffeh]

I'm pretty sure scum would have the appropriate neighbor fakeclaim anyway so none of this even matters.

[Spiffeh]

Right and arguing about that specifically is pointless because you couldn't possibly know which is the case.

[Spiffeh]

I don't really see how my flavor name makes a difference either way.

[Spiffeh]

Ok I think the remaining scum is in [Peregrine, chamber, Nos]

[Spiffeh]

That seemed pretty genuine from talah

[Spiffeh]

I'll hammer after Mala does whatever she wants to do.

[Spiffeh]

K

VOTE: PeregrineV

[Spiffeh]

lol wow

[Spiffeh]

I still don't really get why you were scum reading me so hard

[Spiffeh]

I know because I was

[Spiffeh]

1. I feel like 24 hour prod, 6 hours to post afterwards gives a little more leeway
2. 72 hour day was fine
3. 48 hour night was fine

4-5. Where can we find the full design? Because I don't know of everything that exists

Thanks for the game I love being vig

[Spiffeh]

I was the vig

[Spiffeh]

Unlimited shot too which I think was a little OP

[Spiffeh]

I still will probably never understand how people wanted to lynch anyone but DGB day 1 after Syryana cc'd