In post 672, The_Relentless wrote:if it's normal for him it's not something that's stuck out to me about his play, but I should note I haven't played much on the site the cross-site people are from lately. my impression of town!Sky is that it takes a while to convince him he's wrong about something but he WILL actually argue with you about it.
what are your thoughts on
439, if you've read it in-depth?
In post 439, Sky_Paladin wrote:Scrolling back up, there's no 'major reaction' from Sakura that I can see. Sakura has been approaching a few players at this point, while Pie has entirely focused on the players in his neighbourhood + Muffin. Pie then adds, "I thought 23 looked forced too, but that's splitting hairs and I wouldn't put any stock in it" but if you don't put any stock in it, don't mention it.
I take issue with this, in conjunction with the next point, more or less bc I think it should have been obvious what I was referring to when I said Sakura had a "major reaction". she had literally said things a la
47 ("the only thing making me think pie could be town") and
107 (which was pretty conclusive in terms of reads). moreover, several other people had pointed out what she did looked like an overreaction. that he would miss this comes off either disingenuous, which would fall in similar vein to what you're claiming about his push on you, or exceptionally tone-deaf, which I don't think is implausible.
the last sentence read more like a throwaway excuse than him actually believing what he was saying.
In post 439, Sky_Paladin wrote:105 - 111 is the bit that looked fabricated to me. I feel that Pie went straight to drama llama with his I'll-replace-out comment. On the re-read, Sakura looks better - she looks to me that she genuinely doesn't care what Pie thinks and notes that Pie cares a lot about what she thinks. Notice me sempai etc. I am happy with one part of Pie's #223 on Bork, but it came amidst pressure on Bork from Muffin and that diminishes it's value somewhat.
and this felt contradictory to the previous point. if someone claims someone is reacting strongly to something, and gets upset over it, the obvious conclusion is that they were upset because of how they reacted - he ignores this and doesn't take into account what I had previously said about Sakura's scum read on me in the game thread.
and the other reason I'm meh on this as an angle is - as I was hinting at - that I had already explained why I had reacted strongly to Shadoweh (what had happened the previous game between me and Sakura where we kept fighting with each other all game), and he didn't look like he was factoring this in anywhere.
I don't think there's any strategic value to pushing me-scum over Sakura-scum or both of us being town as scum, and looking at it again, I also think scum would be unlikely on a general level to have their first instinct be to call bullshit on the me/Sakura interactions; there is strategic value in pushing both as scum, but the bit about the neighborhoods showed enough depth of thought and was consistent enough that I didn't have a problem with it.
In post 589, Sky_Paladin wrote:So out of your list of four, I would list Relentless and Gaiden as my current preferred lynches for this phase. In regards to Pie/Sakuya/Notty I can't disagree they are creating content although the content value is ??? and it's difficult to say which, if any, is scum and needs to be shot. IMO Sakuya is the most town out of the three so therefore she must be scum, right? I feel like Pie is 'in charge' of the group and that Notty is a passenger. 'A passenger' is exactly the scum MO. That's the one I would lynch.
then in this post, he entirely dropped the read on me for unrelated reasons, despite his previous concerns with me not really being resolved - I didn't respond to them and I don't know what in my posts would have led him to otherwise rethink his approach to me here.
I take issue with his other reads-list posts in general for the same reason; I don't feel like there's much internal consistency from one reads list to the next. it reads to me like he's just pushing reads as he comes up with them, rather than sticking to them and only moving off given a good reason (which is what I remember him doing in the last UPick as town and what you seem to be agreeing with).
