i havent seen anything particularly substantive about ricastle being scum.
maybe i would feel more like i was deliberately ignoring ricastle if that wasnt the case?
and again, like.
people not doing anything isnt inherently scummy.
saint, xtoxm, bacde, anen and misaka did barely anything in three pronged.
all of them were town.
lack of content is annoying and shouldnt be rewarded, but im not going to throw a dagger in the dark just because someone is being inactive unless the purpose is moreso to cull the fat from the game rather than trying to find scum.
Well the state of this game I'm going to say it will be throwing a dagger day 1 and hopping for the best
Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.
In post 67, Fro99er wrote:- Ricastle...what? Why did you bother to check in to say you have no idea, oh wait yes you do, but you're not gonna make anything of it? What's the point in checking in if you're not even going to post anything worthwhile?
Because experiencing my presence first-hand is one of the most crucial elements to the early game. It's like praying to God, except if he did it for you.
Now, onto business.
VOTE: Bulbazak
Drixx is definitely scum, yet you've given no regard toward him since your opening statement. Also, that's way more townreads than I'm comfortable seeing from a player at this stage of the game. Seems like you're just spurting shit for the sake of getting solid reads as soon as possible.
In post 124, Marquis wrote:ric that's mean. if you're town i'll tell you right now that you should try to avoid what went on in my last double day mini for both of our sakes
i also realize i didn't address bulba being town -
i don't see the contradictions between his read strengths and votes as some sort of contrived scum disconnect, but rather fluctuation as he's going on thinking/posting. experienced scum posts and read positions are carefully crafted, including the strength of those commitments, and no matter how tired he is a scum!bulba's not some random novice at it.
basically: one, i find it hard to believe a scum!bulba would leave that open for attack with the naked vote change. and two, his responses to posts directed at him were more easy and natural than not. he's speaking, not crafting. call his mario vote change bad in theory, but it's a town direct response to vote my townread there and not care about the consequences.
Well, my counterargument to this should be short.
I don't have one.
VOTE: Drixx
Not feeling Anatole honestly. I can imagine town me starting off in a similar fashion, and I think his point is decent although I do disagree with his conclusion. I'd rather use my vote to make the above guy do something rn.
Pedit: You're going to have to explain that one, Titus.
Wow, Mr. Consensus is here. Got any unique thoughts?
Totally down for wagoning this.
Then that probably means Ricastle is town. He did the exact same thing in my last two games with him (flower festival in NY and Marquis' game in little italy).
scumposting. I thought spiffeh's case was pretty damn good. When someone says "shitty case" about a case that's seen as decent by the other people, it's often scum trying to discredit.
In post 761, Marquis wrote:i really did think they were significantly likely to be town posts. like i didn't see anything in there including in his tone that was more scum than town - it looked a lot more like pissed off town in his own little sphere than scum. that's part of why i'm heavily reconsidering that.
How did it look more like pissed off town? I'm not seeing it.
In post 763, Spiffeh wrote:Anatole I responded to your rebuttal of my case so if you want you can look at that?
It probably won't change my mind though.
You're acting like you completely shut down my reasoning which is clearly not the case.
This (in bold)
In post 775, Anatole Kuragin wrote:Don't most of your posts just show that I'm playing badly? I don't see how they're inherently anti-town. I'll never deny that I play like shit on day one (and I never play large games so that's made it even harder). Not trying to make excuses, just trying to put this in context.
My question to that dude that I said was probably a prod-dodge wasn't that, you're right. I did think it was a stupid question on my part when he responded though. As far as the points where you're asking why I didn't explain myself - who cares? Do you think if I'm bullshitting on those points I wouldn't have just bullshitted to defend myself if self-preservation was my main goal? That's probably WIFOM but still, I don't get how you think my play is scummy and not just terrible.
You also make a point that I didn't do any scumhunting besides attacking the people who scumread me, yet I said Marquis's (who scumread me first) bad vote was probably not scum motivated, and his resistance to this wagon shows that he probably agrees now despite you tunneling me and getting a wagon going.
THIS is what we were waiting for. And you responding to him like this shows he actually did have a case worth responding to. It wasn't shitty, it was possibly incorrect, but not shitty by any means. Anyway - this has somewhat improved my view on you.
In post 792, Gorkington wrote:still things you havent responded to.
perfectly content sitting here until you do your homework like a big boy.
In post 793, Anatole Kuragin wrote:Gorkington, if you were actually interested in my answers you would serve up the case/question/points you want me to see on a silver platter. That's why I know you're either scum or bad at scumhunting.
In post 706, Gorkington wrote:okay, i feel like im not being articulate enough.
yes, you did respond to spiff's points.
but you havent articulated why you think hes scum well at all.
saying "oh this person pushed me and then someone agreed with him, the person who agreed with him is scum" is just utterly unconvincing and feels like a throwaway easy comment. almost all of your points as to why people are scum are at this surface level of content.
"frogger is antitown"
"marquis is making bad pushes"
"spiff is sheeping marquis's bad push"
nothing in there is convincing of anything.
i cant say ive played with you before. but you give me the impression that youre capable of more than what youve given so far. so for you to be all "wah wah wah why is it all happening to me" just feels fake because you yourself have admitted your pushes earlygame are apparently bad. why would you be surprised at people calling you out on that?
Maybe not. I think Farside actually wins.
In post 815, Bulbazak wrote:Oh, and the whole "should I claim now" thing is a scum tell.
It is? Cool. I never knew that (would you mind explaining to me why it is?).
Pages 31-34 ... the irony of Anatole for calling me out for shitty anti-town posting.
In post 786, Anatole Kuragin wrote:also at the risk of sounding like scum concerned with self preservation: I'm pretty much down to lynch anyone but myself, marquis, zzzx, and abr
I get you and Marquis. Why don't you want to lynch ZZZX and ABR?
In post 844, Anatole Kuragin wrote:I don't want to lynch ABR because he's my favorite town player and hasn't had the chance to do anything because he's been gone. ZZZX has been gone too and didn't take the easy opportunity to throw down a vote on me as the wagon was picking up momentum.
Actually anatole answered it here. ABR is your favorite town player? Sounds like you know he's town. ZZZX just doesn't care. If you're townreading him, it's a crappy reason to.
mod, I am V/LA until Thursday, I proxy my vote to Fro99er, unless he tries to vote me with my vote
I hate this proxy. I'm scum reading him, and I've mentioned IN THIS GAME how bad I am as town, especially before flips. Why would he pin his vote to me?
Fro99er wrote:Will catch up this afternoon. Crazy weekend.
Marquis wrote:looks for vc, fails, turns post into prod dodge for now
PeregrineV wrote:Hello all. Monday post. Will catch up today or tomorrow.
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Well then
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Hey, I'm workin on it!
In post 921, farside22 wrote:If I vote titus does another wagon magically appear?
I don't know, but I hate titus' push on ricastle. Oh and she's scumreading me too. So I'll OMGUS her and chainsaw ricastle at the same time!
VOTE: Titus
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
Ricastle doing the same thing I am but getting away with it shows he's town? Yeah... Nope. He's scum too. Every push on me is based off hypocrisy at best.
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
In post 815, Bulbazak wrote:Oh, and the whole "should I claim now" thing is a scum tell.
It is? Cool. I never knew that (would you mind explaining to me why it is?).
Look at where Anatole's wagon was at that point and think if town even
wants
to claim. This is Anatole being gleeful at getting a chance to use a fake claim, one he believes will dissolve his wagon and allow him to roam with impunity.
The last thing a town PR wants to do is claim.
As I pointed out, Anatole was at L-6. There was no reason for him to even say that. Furthermore, town feeling forced to claim get angry. They don't want to claim, and they hate everyone who forces their hand. There would be some definite anger from Anatole if he was town feeling that he was going to have to claim to survive. What you get here is a bit of subdued joy. Anatole
wants
to claim. But he's phrasing it as a question so that it's our decision, that way he's not just volunteering the information. That's not how a town PR acts at all. That's how scum with a fake claim act.
In post 937, Gorkington wrote:im gonna be sad at how easy it is for abrasive people to get mislynched if ana flips town.
I'm not voting him for abrasive behavior.
Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.
bulba wrote:This is Anatole being gleeful at getting a chance to use a fake claim, one he believes will dissolve his wagon and allow him to roam with impunity.
so you think he feels this way.
and then never ends up claiming?
why?
if you're town i'll tell you right now that you should try to avoid what went on in my last double day mini for both of our sakes
