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Glork · Post Post #2675 (ISO) » Fri Nov 20, 2015 4:38 am

In post 2668, Count Dooku wrote:
In post 2656, AngryPidgeon wrote:
In post 2650, Count Dooku wrote:I have just crafted Alex and a Doomsayer a month ago and was so happy with my Freeze Mage... And then Reno Jackson comes... RIP Freeze Mage

Reno is like...meant for freeze mage. Seriously run it in freeze mage. Thats it.

I am trying to do so and reno is good in freeze mage, you are right, but it is certainly not as good in freeze mage as it is in warrior (since in freeze mage there are a lot of must-have 2-ofs) ... basically half the players are playing with reno-ctrl warrior or reno-fatigue warrior (or a hybrid between two of those) and these mathcups are auto-lose (especially because of reno and justicar), I might as well instaconcede when I see warrior.

Reno Warrior still requires that you hit your curve. Insta-conceding is literally the dumbest and most pointless thing to do in a game like Hearthstone. You only want to play when the matchup is favorable to you? Grow up.

chamber · Post Post #2676 (ISO) » Fri Nov 20, 2015 4:48 am

If you are playing ranked its a legitimate strategy to just concede against some classes or with sufficiently poor hands. Number of games player is a big factor in climbing.

Glork · Post Post #2677 (ISO) » Fri Nov 20, 2015 6:26 am

Not in the long run. You don't improve your game by constantly avoiding bad matchups. You do so by learning how to make the most out of unfavorable matchups.

chamber · Post Post #2678 (ISO) » Fri Nov 20, 2015 7:56 am

if you have a 10:90 matchup, getting better and making it 12:88 isn't going to substantially effect how well you climb, and that would be a marked improvement. If you are dodging everything that's even a little unfavorable you will never climb cause you'll be dodging like half your games.

Glork · Post Post #2679 (ISO) » Fri Nov 20, 2015 8:17 am

Winning 10% of unfavorable matchups helps you climb more than winning 0%.

chamber · Post Post #2680 (ISO) » Fri Nov 20, 2015 8:20 am

Time matters more.

chamber · Post Post #2681 (ISO) » Fri Nov 20, 2015 8:21 am

If I'm playing an aggro deck that just loses to control warrior, I can finish multiple other matches in the time it takes me to probably lose to the warrior anyway.

Errantparabola · Post Post #2682 (ISO) » Fri Nov 20, 2015 10:25 am

The only match up that seems that lopsided enough to justidy an insta-concede to me would be freeze mage against control warrior.
Ive been killed by aggro as control warrior enough times before i could establish a late game base to think that aggro has a fighting chance.

Sudo_Nym, obviously its not as good but if you had Malygos...

But yeah, I pretty much exclusively play freeze mage and control warrior and I'm excited to try Reno (at about 600 gold as of currently)

chamber · Post Post #2683 (ISO) » Fri Nov 20, 2015 11:29 am

I don't know the current meta. When I played the most (post naxx pre dragons) I ran a budget aggro mage list. had about 10% vs control warrior. Just started conceding when I saw warrior, don't regret it.

Count Dooku · Post Post #2684 (ISO) » Sat Nov 21, 2015 4:09 am

In post 2675, Glork wrote:
In post 2668, Count Dooku wrote:
In post 2656, AngryPidgeon wrote:
In post 2650, Count Dooku wrote:I have just crafted Alex and a Doomsayer a month ago and was so happy with my Freeze Mage... And then Reno Jackson comes... RIP Freeze Mage

Reno is like...meant for freeze mage. Seriously run it in freeze mage. Thats it.

I am trying to do so and reno is good in freeze mage, you are right, but it is certainly not as good in freeze mage as it is in warrior (since in freeze mage there are a lot of must-have 2-ofs) ... basically half the players are playing with reno-ctrl warrior or reno-fatigue warrior (or a hybrid between two of those) and these mathcups are auto-lose (especially because of reno and justicar), I might as well instaconcede when I see warrior.

Reno Warrior still requires that you hit your curve. Insta-conceding is literally the dumbest and most pointless thing to do in a game like Hearthstone. You only want to play when the matchup is favorable to you? Grow up.

Lol, m8 I didn't say that I insta-concede... I said I might do so, because playing those games are basically wasting time 90% of the time... calm down

Count Dooku · Post Post #2685 (ISO) » Sat Nov 21, 2015 4:11 am

In post 2682, Errantparabola wrote:The only match up that seems that lopsided enough to justidy an insta-concede to me would be freeze mage against control warrior.

yeah, that is exactly the matchup I was talking about

Count Dooku · Post Post #2686 (ISO) » Sat Nov 21, 2015 4:21 am

In post 2684, Count Dooku wrote:
In post 2675, Glork wrote:
In post 2668, Count Dooku wrote:
In post 2656, AngryPidgeon wrote:
In post 2650, Count Dooku wrote:I have just crafted Alex and a Doomsayer a month ago and was so happy with my Freeze Mage... And then Reno Jackson comes... RIP Freeze Mage

Reno is like...meant for freeze mage. Seriously run it in freeze mage. Thats it.

I am trying to do so and reno is good in freeze mage, you are right, but it is certainly not as good in freeze mage as it is in warrior (since in freeze mage there are a lot of must-have 2-ofs) ... basically half the players are playing with reno-ctrl warrior or reno-fatigue warrior (or a hybrid between two of those) and these mathcups are auto-lose (especially because of reno and justicar), I might as well instaconcede when I see warrior.

Reno Warrior still requires that you hit your curve. Insta-conceding is literally the dumbest and most pointless thing to do in a game like Hearthstone. You only want to play when the matchup is favorable to you? Grow up.

Lol, m8 I didn't say that I insta-concede... I said I might do so, because playing those games are basically wasting time 90% of the time... calm down

And before someone comes up with stuff like "you should play for fun, so if you think playing those games is wasting time you shouldn't even play hs": playing against ResidentSleeper warrior is not fun at all, I would say it is the most boring (and probably frustrating) part of the game

MTD · Post Post #2687 (ISO) » Sat Nov 21, 2015 6:22 am

Yea, the thing with freeze mage in this is that your matches are not usually that fast that it's "guaranteed" worth it to instaconcede in these cases.
It might still make sense though, especially from a morale standpoint.

Venmar · Post Post #2688 (ISO) » Sat Nov 21, 2015 12:19 pm

Freeze Mage is so stupid to play against, probably the most toxic deck to play against since there's no interaction with the enemy.

Glork · Post Post #2689 (ISO) » Sat Nov 21, 2015 1:53 pm

Sure, because there's interaction with Facehunter and Secret Paladin.

chamber · Post Post #2690 (ISO) » Sat Nov 21, 2015 9:33 pm

Secret Paladin has a lot of interaction imo.

PJ. · Post Post #2691 (ISO) » Sun Nov 22, 2015 4:01 am

Are Fel reavers worth crafting?

Glork · Post Post #2692 (ISO) » Sun Nov 22, 2015 4:04 am

No. They're only used in aggro Druid, which is pretty marginal right now.

Sudo_Nym · Post Post #2693 (ISO) » Sun Nov 22, 2015 4:38 am

Aggro Druid is maybe the best deck in the game right now, Glork. It's good against Secret Paladin, and has no really bad matchups. But it is the only deck that actually plays Fel Reavers, so only craft them if you're committing to that deck.

BROseidon · Post Post #2694 (ISO) » Sun Nov 22, 2015 5:43 am

Low-ranked ladder is fucking sad :/

MTD · Post Post #2695 (ISO) » Sun Nov 22, 2015 5:45 am

Imo freeze mage is one of the more interesting and fun decks to play against tbh.

Glork · Post Post #2696 (ISO) » Sun Nov 22, 2015 7:13 am

My experience with aggro Druid has not been very good. I actually switched back to good old fashioned combo Druid because I was struggling so much but maybe I'm just bad.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #2697 (ISO) » Sun Nov 22, 2015 7:21 am

Aggro Druid is top tier right now. Fel Reavers are also run in MechMage but that isn't seeing much play atm.

Venmar · Post Post #2698 (ISO) » Sun Nov 22, 2015 7:44 am

In post 2689, Glork wrote:Sure, because there's interaction with Facehunter and Secret Paladin.

Ah yes, the "I will bring up other examples to invalidate the original" logic.

Glork · Post Post #2699 (ISO) » Sun Nov 22, 2015 8:01 am

I'm not saying your statement is invalid, but what you are implying is that we need to do away with a whole array of deck archetypes. There are a number of non-interactive decks out there right now, and that's one of the reasons I can only stand to play a dozen or so games of ranked in any given month.