In post 294, Aronis wrote:
Okay, so in #181 Jeanne votes Persivul. Which is the 2nd biggest wagon next to herself at the time. Alone the vote isn't too bad imo, but it's what happens after. Then she votes Ranger for scumreading her. But the Ranger wagon is not gaining traction like she was hoping, so she swaps back to Persivul citing her reasoning as Ranger not being online. She's apparently terrified of getting lynched bc she has a power role and is going to push every1 else that's viable to survive and hop wagons at will. Not very town play imo.
The question is...is it scummy play, or town who really wants to use her power role? Yes, it's anti-town either way, but I'd rather lynch scum than selfish town.
Yes, it is. Not giving a damn about who gets lynched is scummy.
I think this position is flawed. Jeanne claimed to have a role. Preferring a claimed VT's lynch over your own PR is pretty town. Probing at someone you think is scummy as an alternative to the claimed VT is also town. That doesn't necessarily make her town, but "not caring who gets lynched" is not a solid scumtell in a role heavy game.
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In post 201, Ranger wrote:Also, since we have a lot of duplicates this game, I feel like it's best to spell it out:
There is a maximum of one scum in {Hinduragi, Jeanne}. (Hinduragi is obviously town; I still think Jeanne is scum.)
There is a maximum of one scum in {Kop, tn5421}. (Kop's left a good initial impression. tn not so much, though I doubt the game's so easy as to be Persivul/Jeanne/tn.)
There is a maximum of one scum in {3dice, EspeciallyTheLies}. (I think both are town.)
There is a maximum of one scum in {ika, Pipe Organist, hiplop}. (ika is pretty town. Pipe Organist isn't solidly town, but early indicators do point that way. If there's scum here, it would probably be hiplop.)
There is a maximum of one scum in {Ranger, davesaz, Persivul}. (I'm town, dave looks decently town, and Persivul really looks like scum.)
Keep this in mind at all times.
It might also be worth looking into what numbers were high in previous drafts, if my theory about Persivul being scum is correct--he picked 8, but there must have been other numbers that got high. If people picked those numbers, they might be potential scumbuddies.
This theory of duplicates is correct, but it runs a significant risk of ignoring singletons. I initially thought Ranger was town, but this type of thing is easy to fake by calling yourself town and hiding buddies in the unclear ones. It's interesting that there isn't much controversial in the list. Also if Persivul is so scum, there should be more push. I think this bears watching.
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ok so... i got busy with work yesterday and we're doing tons of OT, and i don't have the will to make specific notes about every little thing. i skimmed through the rest of it but i will need some help.
right now i'm working through finding some town reads - so far liking Hindu, 3dice and Ranger. Ideas and things they've noticed match up with my own thoughts. Still happy with my vote on Persivul. Jeanne seems like silly newb - not sure if town or scum but I would wager town. Not really interested in lynching her today. I'd also vote Aronis - hasn't done much of anything at all.
right now i want to see persivul's flip and go from there.
In post 318, tn5421 wrote:I don't really understand why you guys are getting so votehappy on Persivul just for having some reasonable fucking caution. Has anyone even made a case on him or is it the same bullshit that you guys were pushing jeanne on?
Are you happy with your vote? If it's not Persivul, then who?
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In post 324, davesaz wrote:
Persival, draft order is not the only reason for scum to prefer one lynch over another.
Sure, it's not the only factor, but it's definitely a factor unless the scum are idiots.
I think it's a big mistake to concentrate too fully on that. Unless scum are all on your wagon already, they have had a third of the day phase to slip onto your wagon, and a lynch is a lynch in their eyes.
Have to disagree there. If I'm completely wrong with my reads, they're less motivated to lynch me. if I'm right, they're more motivated. It's simplistic to say a lynch is a lynch. Do you seriously not consider these things when you're scum? Sure, from scum POV any town lynch is better than a scum lynch, but good scum are putting a lot more thought into it than that, and particularly when they have day talk.
In post 327, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:ok so... i got busy with work yesterday and we're doing tons of OT, and i don't have the will to make specific notes about every little thing.
You're active lurking and making excuses. You made around twenty posts in other games throughout the day yesterday (my time). Further, this is nothing like your activity in Blitz 1, in which you were town. In that game you had the highest post count despite not surviving all the way to the end.
It would be one thing to criticize my efforts if I was actually posting and pretending to be involved but not providing content or anything.
It's an entirely other thing to criticize my ability to even be here when I'm clearly making an effort to be here so Rob doesn't need to find a replacement.
In post 327, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:ok so... i got busy with work yesterday and we're doing tons of OT, and i don't have the will to make specific notes about every little thing.
i skimmed through the rest of it
but i will need some help.
right now i'm working through finding some town reads - so far liking Hindu, 3dice and Ranger. Ideas and things they've noticed match up with my own thoughts. Still happy with my vote on Persivul. Jeanne seems like silly newb - not sure if town or scum but I would wager town. Not really interested in lynching her today. I'd also vote Aronis - hasn't done much of anything at all.
right now i want to see persivul's flip
and go from there.
Huh...considering that:
- you admittedly have only skimmed parts of the thread, and
- there's more than half of phase left
I would think that you wouldn't want any lynch at this point.
i've got enough reads that the next step for me is confirming or re-evaluating where i'm at. you know nothing about my methods, and i think you're pretty terrible, and i dislike you and dislike playing with you. discuss me with others all you fucking want. lead a crusade against me for all i fucking care, but seriously, fuck off, stop talking to me. you're a pos player and your criticisms of my play are worthless to me.
