Blitz 18: Wedding Invitational Mafia - GAME OVER

[pieguyn]

pie what are you seeing from Ceph that worries you

initial reaction to 229 was it was scum trying to keep a T/T going, since at that point it should have been obvious why Empire's vote wasn't on me over AP

[pieguyn]

I agree with liking 242

y

[Empire]

I don't think you would react differently because the one thing that I've learned about mafia is that most people are predictable (although I don't know if you will understand what I mean by that). And I absolutely would have attacked someone else (GIF comes to mind as a scum-me target). I really don't want to re-hash the literal exact same argument as the last time but do you really think I am positioning my reasoning as a "reliable reason to scumread" you? There's obviously a reason I chose to pick at you in this way and I am a bit disappointed you haven't seen it yet.

to my mind, you pushing my posts being "awkward" implied that you think that it's more likely than not valid reasoning, even if it's only a slight tell.

even if it's just a reaction test, I don't really want to rule out you using a "reaction test" to enter the game as scum; pretending to do a reaction test in RVS/early game is something I see from scum fairly often when they want to look like they've generated content. can you walk me through your scum read on AP in more depth?

I probably did a little bit of both "pushing" (although I disagree with this characterization, see Forest Fire) and reaction testing! (I actually feel a bit bad now about doing it) At any rate, I think you're town now and hopefully you should be able to see that I'm town as the game goes on so we can work together. As for the AP read, give me a moment to tango with him before I dive into that.

post 242[/url], pieguyn"]Nacho has told me all about his dreams of mislynching various players too, and I assume he's done the same for a bunch of other people in this game. which is why I think him actually trying to do it, in this game, would be a really bad idea and that if he was gonna do something like this it'd be in a different game. the only sense I think it makes would be if he went for it anyway hoping for people to town read him based on "he wouldn't do this as scum", but even then I think it was perfectly reasonable to take issue with your early play. if he starts bending over backwards trying to scum read someone, then ya I would agree with your point here.

Fair enough, I want to wait and see what Nacho thinks of my posts when he reads the game again as he should 100% be able to recognize that this is my town play if he's town. I just think that Nacho would absolutely have the balls to try and pull this play as scum in this roster.

[Syryana]

Yep, cause Nacho said not to put people at L-3 or something

[Cephrir]

Nacho has told me all about his dreams of mislynching various players too, and I assume he's done the same for a bunch of other people in this game. which is why I think him actually trying to do it, in this game, would be a really bad idea

does nacho seem like the kind of person who would worry about this to you, he doesn't to me

that would just make it more of a challenge

not that i think the point is actually a good one

[AngryPidgeon]

I believe BRO's claim.

Is there a reason for that? I have some feelings about it that may be similar, but would be cool to hear another perspective.

IIRC BRO's claim actually checks out...

Are you referring to known meta?

I don't think you believe your reasoning for scum reading me; I don't think that after one game where you were horribly wrong about what constitutes a "forced" post from me, you'd walk in here and attempt to immediately read me again

Really you don't think that history might repeat itself? Cause you know, it often does.

IIRC BRO's claim actually checks out...

It's really amazing b/c I'm pretty rolling Cabd's dad is the most ironic role I've ever gotten.

Why is that ironic? Also thank you for claiming flavor, sort of checks out.

in case this argument isn't over yet, my opinion on having the ICs claim immediately is "I can't imagine the setup not being designed to make us not wish we hadn't done that, ask again in a day or two"

Wisdom cannot be taught; it merely comes from Cephrir.

hi ap, are you scum?

Sadly, I cannot answer that for you. You are going to have to figure it out on your own. I have faith that you will come to the correct conclusion though.

/P8

[Syryana]

I agree with liking 242

y

I can't say, for different reasons than I gave bork

[Empire]

Am I the only one who actually likes #241?

P-edit: AP, it's BRO's flavor. I got some other stuff I want to talk with you about though~

[Cephrir]

pie what are you seeing from Ceph that worries you

initial reaction to 229 was it was scum trying to keep a T/T going, since at that point it should have been obvious why Empire's vote wasn't on me over AP

-i don't do things like that, but i guess you still won't believe me on that even after s&s?
-it was not obvious and remains not obvious. pretend i'm five years old if you want. people expect others to see so much more than they do where it pertains to themselves

[Cephrir]

my binary and mostly nonserious metric for reading ap is crying out in pain

[Syryana]

Am I the only one who actually likes #241?

No, but objectively speaking my opinion might be biased

[borkjerfkin]

pie what are you seeing from Ceph that worries you

initial reaction to 229 was it was scum trying to keep a T/T going, since at that point it should have been obvious why Empire's vote wasn't on me over AP

I don't agree; I'm still a little in the dark myself because I can't tell if Empire's trajectory on you is a legitimate scumread or just a pure reaction test
You also expressed this sentiment

[pieguyn]

vote: AP

I haven't read in-depth since my last post but 255 is a scum wall.

brb for a few hours

[borkjerfkin]

Agree on 255 which is essentially non-content

[borkjerfkin]

Gotta drive home myself, back tonight

[Cephrir]

but he said nice things directed at me, i like that ;_;

[Syryana]

but he said nice things directed at me, i like that ;_;

You've got a great ass

[Cephrir]

i know D:

[AngryPidgeon]

I was originally suspicious of Piegirl, but I'm now reading her as town. While I don't really agree with her logic for pushing Empire, it reads genuine.

Vote: AP

why?

The problem that I have is that I can definitely visualize Nacho playing in this way as scum (even with the push on me, he's told me in the past that he would love trying to get someone like me lynched). The second question makes sense if you understand what I've been trying to do this whole time.

I sort of agree, but I'm inclined to think hes being town so far. But my most recent experience of nacho-scum was more lurky and more pander-y, but that was also in a newbie game.

[AngryPidgeon]

syr might actually be scum. waiting to see where this goes

Duh. Its been pretty obvious ever since the extremely awkward attempts to be joke-y and fit in.

[Syryana]

joke-y

Joke-y? JOKE-Y?! Get rekt, scum.

Chase out of the church: AP

[Syryana]

And on that note, off to dinner.

[Empire]

AP, it's for a couple of reasons and I think you can probably get them from these questions:

1) Where is your bork townread coming from?

2) What is it that you look for when you try to enter a game as scum? Do you ever think to replicate what you have done in a previous game as scum?

[Cephrir]

did that second thing really need to be in the form of a question

this post brought to you by i've been editing for like 7 hours straight

[AngryPidgeon]

I think Maestro's Large Normal (where I was scum and you replaced in on D2) was even faster than this

Lets not even talk about X-men mafia :S. That game might actually be the biggest shitshow I've been in.

Nacho has told me all about his dreams of mislynching various players too

Ya Nacho still owes me for Mind reader mafia.

pie what are you seeing from Ceph that worries you

Hm. Not to answer for Pie, but Im more concerned with what I dont see from Ceph.

I dont even mean that in a meta sense. ITs just that other people have said things that make them seem engaged/interested and Ceph hasn't really made an impression at all yet. For me, at least. Not that that makes him scummy, just of interest.

Am I the only one who actually likes #241?

P-edit: AP, it's BRO's flavor. I got some other stuff I want to talk with you about though~

You shouldn't like 241. I see why you do, and perhaps I'm biased but its not anything particularly interesting I think. I hadn't noticed that he claimed flavor by that point. Maybe he did and I'm dumb. I do agree that the flavor is plausible though. Buuuut, of course it could just be a Mafia aligned role. -shrug-. His dad would make sense as a mafia role really for the same reasons he makes sense as a miller.